TargetLuger project
 

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Welcome back to the Lugerforum Håkan... please edit your posts and upload your photos directly to the Lugerforum, instead of linking them from another website ... some employers, including my own, filter photographs from social networking sites so I can not see your photos, and I am sure many others will have the same problem.

Spuhr:
It really blows my mind how precise, complicated and beautiful your machine work is. Of course, your design work is also premier. Please keep us posted--I am truly fascinated with your project and its execution. Thanks.

I'm impressed!

We try it from the beginning then.
I really like the Luger as a targetpistol, but the gun is to light and I needed to make another solution for the rear toggle.

So first is here the turning and chambering of the barre.

I really wanted an adjustable sight, and previously I have seen that no adjustable sights really seems to survive the violence on the rear toggle in the long run.
So here is the new manufacured toggle.
Starting with a piece of Uddeholm Calmax steel hardened to 50 HRC.
Hardening is done in a furnace in 960 degrees celcius.

This luger was a bit sloppy so I pressed it a bit tighter in the vise. To not overpress it I placed some gaugeblocks in the frame.

Triggerpull.
Many lugers have their triggerpulls destroyed by wrong adjustments.
So I usally weld up the sear and the firing pin with hardened steel and blueprint them to specifications.

Some triggerpins fits rather poorly, so I decided to change the fit of it.

The frame with it's stocklug is much nicer if the stocklugg is removed. So here is the stocklugg removed and welded shut.
Frame gets 30 lpi checkering on both front and rear strap.

polishing job has started.

The safety got a 1911 style thumb piece added.

I needed to drill a couple of holes in the rear toggle, and as it's very hard my HSS drills wouldent do it.
So I made some simple cannondrills and that worked rather well.

I do personally not prefer perfect "like break a bar of glass"style triggerpulls.
I need them more rubberstyle.
Therefor I welded an extra "hump" on the connector and that helps me giving the "rubberband" feeling.

Here is the result so far.
The competition pictures is with my luger before the restoration, possible some 10-15 years ago.

Thank you very much for sharing your work/progress. It is truly an example of a skilled machinist.

Nice work! :)

Excellent!!! :thumbup:

Oh my, oh my, oh my...that is just marvelous! Wow!

nice...
 

Very nicely done, quite impressive! Best to all, til...lat'r....GT:cheers:

awesome !!!

very creative and also artistic design

Beautiful work! :thumbup: Very inspiring to, when I looked at the pictures I wanted to run over to the machine shop and have some blanks EDM cut, invest in more equipment, hone my machining skills and try something similar. Then I woke up... :surr: :D

Hakan,
it seems like there would be a limited market for similiar modified lugers in USA - especially in the luger forum member group

or perhaps a target parts set - your awesome barrel + rear toggle + trigger bar + thumb safety + etc

are you able to offer these target version lugers to any of the usa importers ? like Simpsons LTD etc ?

perhaps the Mauser lugers made in the 197x years could be a source for the donor Lugers
since they already have the rear frame solid without any lanyard recess or stock lug and are commercial originally

again , awesome product !!!

thanks
Bill

I second this motion. There is no shortage of wartime Mauser P08 Pistolen to serve as bases for a limited production run. The cost of the ensuing product might be estimated against comparable items. Thus Herbert Werle will deliver you a custom Luger assembled from Mauser components complemented by his custom parts for under $3,000.00, whereas Edgar Budischowsky's superb HSP701 would cost you around twice as much. Making guns from scratch is an expensive proposition.

I would be interested in upgrading one of my pistols to this configuration. Please, drop me a line. MR

What would your price be for the rear toggle with the adjustable target sight?

Like your way of approaching the problem. Very nice # of solutions you come up with there.
I am working presently on safety lever extensions batch for P210. Machining is labor of love for me. It has to be right to be right. Right?

Thanks for sharing with us.

Nope, I don't think it's feasable at all to make those for sale.
They will be extremely expensive.......


SigP2101
I have welded an insane amount of cracked P210 pistols over the years....
Also made beavertails (welded) and other things to the P210s.....
But those days as well as the Luger jobs for the public are since long gone.....

I have been doing this since 80's and never seen one cracked P210 slide or frame. Are you in USA? For me this is pure hobby activity and exclusively for a small amount of people, target shooters community and good friends. I am not interested in public exposure. Always being working on Feinwerkbau, Anshutz, TOZ, Hamerlys and various biathlon rifles. But there is not much of that here in Canada. Every since I moved over here from Europe I have been doing it for my own pleasure. I am member of two shooting clubs and 99.99% of the shooters never seen one P210 not even on the picture. 50% of the people haven't seen P08 since it is prohibited up here.

But definitely you gave me an itch to do something with my P08 shooter.

Spuhr, Please define extremely expensive. The audience here are Luger collectors and most are anything but paupers. I have wanted adjustable sights and an improved trigger for serious range work but no one does this type of conversion anymore. So, where do you reside and are you game for some contract work? MR

Ok, first so you understand.
I run a company that makes lots of advanced firearms stuff.
Scopemounts, grenadelauncher sights, upgrade kits for G36, HK417 etc.
you can see the company here: www.spuhr.com

That company takes all my time and therefor I am not interested to sell my by the hours.
All my work done today is not done by the hour, but instead a development of new products.
So I do simply not have the time to make oneoff projects like this for customers.

If I should make a batch of 10-20 reartoggles like this one they would likely end up costing some 2000 USD each, and the making of single pieces is almost impossible.
2000 dollars are in my opinion a very high price.

Adjusting luger triggerpulls aint difficult, not at all.
But it's required that the gunsmith have a Tig welder and a toolgrinding machine or worst case scenario a milling machine.
I have no secrets so if someone wanna do it, just ask and I tell you how it's done.

I can't purport to speak for Håkan, but based on my studies, cracked frames in the P210 strongly correlate with the availability of the likes of Swedish Bofors m/39B ammunition, which are not to be found in the North American consumer market.

I don't mean to tell you your business, but based on what I see elsewhere, you could easily sell a batch of 20 target Lugers built to the standards you have maintained, for over $5K apiece. Notwithstanding your opportunity costs, making high grade firearms would be a step up from the production of their accessories.

I understand, thanks for the reply. MR

$5K for a target Luger sounds awfully low... :confused:

...Just sayin'... :rolleyes:

As I said, Herbert Werle will deliver you a custom Luger assembled from Mauser components complemented by his custom parts for under $3,000.00. Håkan's model is a bit more complicated, but not by that much.

I see that on Werle's preisliste...

P 08, 04-14 Marine version, caliber 9 mm Luger 2.519, - € [~$3272]

P 08, Standard 9 mm Luger Luger/.30 1.943 [~$2523]

Do you have a target Luger made by Werle??? I for one would love to see pics... :cheers:

I believe you have researched this before...Can you share any insights??? Customs duty, importer charges, shipping charges from Germany, etc...

I heard there is a breath-taking new technology called "3D Printing". Don't know what it is, but someone has already used it to create sample shootable pistol (according to Yahoo News).

Can it be applied on Luger to tremendously reduce production cost??

I have a second-hand 6" Werle custom Luger coming in. My only target Lugers are W+F National Match guns. I'm not a big fan of fancy adjustable sights on autopistols.http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=21590

In the past, I was a fan of Bo-Mar Combat Sights on 1911 style pistols; now I just rely on a Colt GCNM. Once initially dialed in, I never made any more changes, so the special milling of the slide for the BMCS and fitting a higher front sight was largely a cosmetic modification (I could have done the same with solid sights). But it looked cool, and all the kids were doing it... :rolleyes:

I had read your import tutorial, and noted the 'pay through the nose' note. Hopefully, that has improved.

I look forward to pictures of your Werle Luger!!! :cheers: