Magazine i tested with , was made by Mike and is made from soft metal,
i am planing to usa 1095 spring steel and we are in the process of testing dies out, ordered a press for the stamping as a hand/vise pressing did not provided needed pressure..

Played with a 20 ton shop press at a friends garage, now waiting for 50 toner to arrive.

We are working with soft dies for the first couple of bends, as soon as the mag is together, we plan to harden the A2 steel and keep on pressing.

I am sure magazine will present some challenges, but i am also sure it will not be as hard and long as a frame cutting was.

We already worked out spring situation for a magazine, and cutting aluminum followers now.

Press delivery is slowing us down a bit.

Grip safety pinch will be worked out as well, this gun is a first prototype assembled, and some small cleanup and missing futures are been worked on,
Overall a positive response for the first prototype is a good sign for us.
Keep positing your ideas.., we are listening.

a SAFE with Arrow marking on the frame, can be removed for people that do not like ENGLISH .

I for one prefer a clear direction that tells me safe is that way. where is safety operation was always confusing on a Luger for me. I duplicated a Dutch contract Idea in English...

First prototype is not meant to be sold and as such has not been numbered ... I assure you all guns we plan to sell will have numbers on them as well as manufactures markings as required by ATF.

Any and all ideas about placement of the markings is up for a debate at this point.

As far as LMI logo that looks like a DWM logo, that was an idea to have a name of the company that is making the gun and also make it look close to original.

I have heard mostly positive comments on the logo, I am sure a 100% positive response is not possible on anything, everyone is different and has there own ideas.

We will listen to your ideas and try to accommodate the majority... and keep the markings consistent on all guns.

One voice that does not like LMI logo vs 50 that do is a no brainier for me right now...
But keep posting , it may change

As far as testing, we plan to ship a prototype gun around to a first batch buyers to test the gun and to report on it.. so testing for reliability will be done for sure , before any guns start shipping out.

And as of right now , we plan to test every gun in a white after assembly before finish is applied , to make sure trouble free operation for our clients,.

I haven't seen or handled Eugene's .45 reproduction, but IIRC it is made from Mike Krause's reverse-engineered 'blueprints' [$2,500 :eek: ] taken from an actual 1907 Trials .45, so the faults (if accurately copied) are inherent in the design. :rolleyes:

I just noticed in the magazine thread that the .45 has no stock lug. While I am sure that is an accurate representation, it saddens me. Even though I own an M1900AE, I associate Lugers with stock lugs. :(

And since Eugene is soliciting opinions, I think the safety markings of F and S as used on the P38 and other weapons is clearer and more intuitive than the arrow and 'safe' marking. :thumbup:

My $.02 as usual. ;)

May be you right on S and F marks,
But that was never used on lugers,
We're as arrow was in Dutch contract.
At least that's what I keep telling myself.

Is that what is on the trials .45 Luger??? If so, then I retract my opinion...Authenticity is more important, I would think... :thumbup:

I'm looking at the Norton .45 in TBLAP and it doesn't have any safety markings, just the two dimples...

Speaking of "SAFE" on a 1906 grip safety Luger, shouldn't the arrow point upward instead of downward? The picture of the Aberman gun posted above by Richard seems to indicate a "Safe" is the upper position.

Or was the .45 Luger at the Trials an "altered" safety design? I feel embarrassed for not asking this when I had the gun in hand.

What/where is site for Norton 45 TBLAP

The discussion starts on page 1627 in the red set.

The cd is worth every $, and much lighter than the books; though I do like to hold the books in my hands!

Don, the pics/drawings in the DVD [snip!] are much higher resolution than the book pics...2008 x 3035 pixels is pretty common...

Well, I guess the book is printed from the cd, but at lower resolution?

I just find it comforting to hold the book;
I'm an analog guy at heart.:)

Got that book, and read all 45 info i can find,

My thinking was, as we are making the gun that people will be using,

Hopefully not just sit on the shelves in safes...

I wanted to make changes that were made for the 1906 Altered safety,

and have the gun in safe when pushed in the holster.

Plus the safety lever is away from the arm in that variation.

In the early safety type it bites in the arm a bit.

Eugene, thanks for the explanation.

I like the idea of the 'Dutch arrow' in the safety area. If I had the cash lying around, I'd order one with 'RUST' on it :)

Just got back from dropping off the 45 Luger I took to Louisville to show folks.

I saw his baby luger 45 acp and it is very nice, unlike a baby 9mm (which feels too small in my hand), the 45 baby fit just like a larger luger in my hand, very nice.

He had a full crew working on things, saw at least 4 guys there all chomping away at metal and stuff, no idea what they were working on. He re-did the rear toggle for looks and functioning, it still looks the same but you can see how the parts are slightly different on the one I brought to the show and the 'new' piece.

We discussed the placement of markings, city, caliber, the up/down for safety, etc. I would imagine he could put whatever you wanted on the area, but I said outloud, well, its extra time and time is money. He agreed that technically they could change anything, but that would mean new parts (extractor) or different milling / engraving or whatever does the SAFE...


He wasn't done with my 45 acp / gap uppers that he will fix up for me - maybe do a Wyatt conversion or something, but thats down the road for me to mess with. Meanwhile, gather pennies together for a Eugene 45 ACP Luger :)

Ed,

I have wanted a Baby for quite some time so ordered one of Eugenes 45s.

Another member here mentioned selling some of his motorcycles where I wanted to add to my stable of 4. I could have bought a nice used Harley V Rod for the price of the new baby.

looking forward to the addition to my Luger collection

Less likelyhood of crashing into a guardrail with a baby .45 though.

safe!
 

Hi to all, I would like the one I am buying to have the "arrow" and "SAFE" marking just as Eugene has it pictured!... Looks great to me... :)...best to all, til....lat'r...GT

So how many orders did Eugene receive from the show sample??? :p

I agree with GT, safe with arrow is cool for me!:thumbup:

Up safe or down safe, depends on which model/timeframe.

I agee with Eugene that "arm down- safe, up arm = fire" is more comfortable for shooting. At least that is what I think he said.:eek:

I saw mentioned a problem of improper functioning of the magazine on the 45s? Yes? No?
Jack

Do not rub it in...
Everyone is waiting on magazines ...
May be i need to bump the price a bit ? May be that will get people moving on the last 12.

Working on the magazines...
Bend is done...
Press is on order ...
Press die holders on order ...
Ed did see all the dies we made ...
My die engineer promised to come over to improve/speed-up the process once all bits and peaces are here.

The "improper function" was on a JVM magazine for testing.
Eugene is working on mags as he outlined.

The magazine is not "easy," as someone else pointed out, luger mags evolved over the years of production by DWM, Simson, Mauser and the best probably designed and executed by Haenel.

I believe anyone who can build a luger from a chunk of steel can make a functioning magazine-:eek: JMHO.

No rubbing. I expected that you would sell out at show. Much disappointment that you did not. :(

Twelve still available? Would be good investment for collector or investor. :thumbup:

But the question seems to be: To make a purchase of a pistol without a magazine at that price??? On the expectation of later getting the mag???? Is that what is at stake here? I don't know. That is why I was the raising the matter. The statement was made and now it seems that the answer is being danced around.

Eugene has the most difficult part of the magazine solved. IMHO, even the unfinished magazine body is better looking than the Martz .45 magazine at Checkpoint Charlies. :thumbup: (Both below).

Magazine quality!
 

Hi to all! Making, with quality, any one part of a Luger is quite a task! The magazine is no different, only think different is the technique and materials... and, it is also, another assembly.. (more labor?) ... Eugene is using the very best material available to make his magazine shells heat treatable and strong.. 1095 annealed spring steel. (best springs, fine knives) if done correctly, they will be lifetime mags... Similar, and probably stronger than new Mec-Gar mags, and far, far better than any original Luger mag ever made!!!!
John Martz, God bless him, didn't have any constraints other than making it fit and work, made the mags as strong and simple as he could in his workshop with off the shelf materials.. and as no two pistols were ever the exact same, it was all custom work anyway!
What is important to remember is that whether Eugene is making 40 or 4000 the set up and time on task per unit is nearly the same... Once you have all in place, it is just a matter of how much self torture you can stand... The amount of work necessary to complete just one unit puts all of the project labor in a brutal perspective real quick.... Making one Luger part is a quest, two of the same, a task, 3 or 4 a job, and 10 or more a life sentence!!! :eek:... Been there, done that.... :thumbup:...
As I said before, go get'em Eugene... Best to you all, til....lat'r.....GT

No dancing around.
If you read all the posts, the mag is addressed in detail.
The mag will be with the guns, no buy now get mag later.

Unless you are buying a .45 luger, I don't see why you need to raise the issue.:confused:

There is also a separate thread dealing with the magazine progress -

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=36755

Tube and follower shown. No base shown, not much detail as to construction. Hopefully more as work progresses. :thumbup:

Please note that this is a two piece folded and crimped magazine. A significant piece of work. Not even Krause or Martz attempted to produce a magazine that way...theirs were formed from one piece of steel bent around a mandrel and welded together. Eugene's magazine is much more authentic and when (notice I said "when" and not "if" :)) he is successful it will be a much superior magazine IMHO.
Ron

Amen to that .... !

Cutting followers now as well as follower push buttons, got the springs as well,, as soon as we are done with cutting that , i will post

Let me correct you there.

Martz -- Yes, bend from one sheet and welded at the back , seen it do not like it.

Krause -- No, his mags are done from 2 sheets of steel and bent same way as originals. But made from soft steel and bent is closer to the back offsetting the spring push to the back and making the mag jam.

Our -- bend is more centered pushing the rounds nose first up the magazine tube, that will help function. And harder steel to keep lips stay in place.
But that's giving away trade secrets at this point ;0)

FYI: bend is holding the round spring in place and it's position is critical.

"But that's giving away trade secrets at this point ;0)"

I don't think anyone will decide to go into the magazine business- so your secrets are safe! ;)

My bad. I had more recently looked at my Martz baby and didn't check my Krause .45...was just going on memory which at my age is becoming less and less reliable. My apologies to Herr Krause for maligning his mag.

(But my mistake did get you to reveal trade secrets...oops!:D)
Ron

Sold another one today to an Allentown Gun Show client,

12 units out of First Batch are preordered, no more available
17 units out of Second Batch are preordered and 11 available

Going to TULSA, OKLAHOMA on 4/1-4/2/17

3 Remaining units
 

Hello to all fellow forum members.

Just an FYI that after:

3 different magazine designs,

3 different feeding ramp configurations

2 changed barrels ( feeding ramp related)

3 different main spring styles

We finally can say that the gun works the way we like.

Also note that at this time only 3 units are available from a second lot.

With orders coming in every week.

So place your orders while i still have the guns.