I Give Up on the P08

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

You aren't disagreeing with me. If you do the math, NATO spec ammo has about 20% more momentum than the original DWM loading, whereas the momentum of WWB is approximately its equal.

Mike:

I've been looking, for thirty years, in original period German materials, from the 1920s through 1950s, and have never found a hotter load, in 123 grain configuration, than the 1,076 fps. load discussed above.

I believe the existance of the famous "German hotter load", needed to properly function a 9 mm Luger, is nothing more than a constantly repeated myth, with no basis in verifiable fact whatsoever, and a very distructive one at that!

Yes, armor piercing "hotter loads" were made for the MP-38 and MP-40, with much lighter bullets and of iron core construction for better performance, but these were restricted for pistol usage (most, if not all of them, having steel lacered cases, etc.).

If any of our members can provide me with verifiabe German source documentation to prove otherwise, I'd really like to get a copy of it.

As to modern NATO spec. ammo, I value my Lugers too much as to ruin them, over time, by shooting such loads, as these are, indeed, +P loads.


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