Recent Non-Luger Acquisitions

ithacaartist · 10-31-2019, 10:42 PM

At online auctions, I've won a Savage Model 1907 and yet another Llama Model IIIA in .380.
I also bought a '44 built Enfield #4 MK1 from a friend.
No pics of the rifle yet, but here are some auction house shots of the other two. (yes, the Savage is a project gun!)

ithacaartist · 10-31-2019, 10:47 PM

Llama IIIA

wlyon · 10-31-2019, 11:21 PM

I like both. Good find

rolandtg · 10-31-2019, 11:46 PM

Good scores!
I really like the little Llamas!

Edward Tinker · 11-01-2019, 01:30 AM

I have liked the Llamas since I was a kid and the Savage pistols are just too cool.

DonVoigt · 11-01-2019, 10:23 AM

Interesting repair to the front of the Savage!

ithacaartist · 11-01-2019, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Interesting repair to the front of the Savage!

The area behind the washer was very shiny and silver. It seemed like lead solder and scraped off with my fingernail. Beneath that is what appears to be epoxy. It's anybody's guess what's under that.

The plan it to restore the nose of the slide and re-blue the entire pistol since it is entirely in the white.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-01-2019, 11:59 AM

I never had a Savage that would feed & function. Cool LOOKING little pistols though.

rhuff · 11-01-2019, 04:02 PM

I have always liked the old Llama handguns. They are fun to shoot.

sdmark777 · 11-01-2019, 08:15 PM

Just remember to case harden the trigger and put that front sight blade back on that Savage

Two nice diversions, from Lugers, that is. Good luck with your project.

ithacaartist · 11-02-2019, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

I never had a Savage that would feed & function. Cool LOOKING little pistols though.

I was delighted to find that this one cooked right along, no misfeeds or malfunctions! I got lucky, perhaps. If so, it's about time!

The extractor was launched over my shoulder, to the left. It's in this room, and I have a magnet--wish me luck.

Other than recoil springs I've seen listed, parts for these are reputedly non-existent.

ithacaartist · 11-02-2019, 09:23 PM

I lucked out with the grip panels on this Savage, which are steel. Most are gutta-percha and few of those are in good shape. There's one little dent at the top of one of these, but that will tap right out and be as good as new.

Lugerdoc · 11-03-2019, 11:36 AM

Lifer et al, I do have a good selection of both small frame Llama and Savage pistol parts. TH

tomaustin · 11-03-2019, 11:48 AM

you guys are gonna learn one day to have a supply of large clear plastic bags for disassembly.....saved many parts that way.......

ithacaartist · 11-04-2019, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

Lifer et al, I do have a good selection of both small frame Llama and Savage pistol parts. TH

This info is the nicest surprise I've had all day. Just in case...do you have an extractor in stock, Tom?

Here's a question for you, et al... The nose of the slide, along with a front sight, must have an integral area that guides the slide as it navigates the barrel when the gun is fired, similar to how the barrel bushing of a 1911works. My question is how long is the internal "sleeve" that rides the barrel? It works OK with the drilled-out washer that was cobbed on, but it seems to me that it originally must have been an affair with more to bear on the barrel than the thickness of a washer. If my question is coherent, I'd be delighted to have a measurement!

ithacaartist · 11-04-2019, 02:40 AM

These Savage pistols are interesting. While perusing auctions, I saw one that had a more traditional "tab" type spur on its hammer, while most seem to be the fluted ring type. I suspect it was an earlier example. Its rear sight, as on a couple of others I've observed, is a groove in the top of an upward swelling at the rear of the slide, whereas mine has a tiny rear sight dovetailed in. I guess I'll have to brush up on what these configurations mean in terms of when they were produced.

Their bolts and trigger systems are intriguing as well--very clever, quite intricate, and very finely made.

Sergio Natali · 11-04-2019, 05:16 AM

Very nice acquisition, congrats!

BTW great pictures too.

sdmark777 · 11-18-2019, 11:22 AM

As per David's request, here are some pics and measurements to help with his rebuilding of the front of the slide on his Savage 1907. Sorry for the delay in posting, my Savage was not readily accessible. I included the rear sight so you can confirm yours is the same. The front of the slide is machined from solid stock and there is no separate bushing as can be seen in the pics. So yes, there is more than the width of a washer contacting the barrel, ie dimension A, .170"

sdmark777 · 11-18-2019, 11:23 AM

last 2 pics

sdmark777 · 11-18-2019, 03:52 PM

FYI, both the trigger and magazine release lever appear to have case hardening color with the barrel being left bare.

10-31-2019, 10:42 PM	#1
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Recent Non-Luger Acquisitions At online auctions, I've won a Savage Model 1907 and yet another Llama Model IIIA in .380. I also bought a '44 built Enfield #4 MK1 from a friend. No pics of the rifle yet, but here are some auction house shots of the other two. (yes, the Savage is a project gun!) Attached Thumbnails __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

10-31-2019, 10:47 PM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Llama IIIA Llama IIIA Attached Thumbnails __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

10-31-2019, 11:21 PM	#3
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	I like both. Good find __________________ Bill Lyon

11-01-2019, 10:23 AM	#6
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Interesting repair to the front of the Savage! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-01-2019, 11:59 AM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	I never had a Savage that would feed & function. Cool LOOKING little pistols though. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-31-2019, 11:46 PM	#4
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 380 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	Good scores! I really like the little Llamas!

11-01-2019, 01:30 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I have liked the Llamas since I was a kid and the Savage pistols are just too cool.

11-01-2019, 04:02 PM	#9
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	I have always liked the old Llama handguns. They are fun to shoot. __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

11-01-2019, 08:15 PM	#10
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	Just remember to case harden the trigger and put that front sight blade back on that Savage Two nice diversions, from Lugers, that is. Good luck with your project. Attached Thumbnails

11-02-2019, 09:23 PM	#12
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	I lucked out with the grip panels on this Savage, which are steel. Most are gutta-percha and few of those are in good shape. There's one little dent at the top of one of these, but that will tap right out and be as good as new. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-03-2019, 11:36 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Lifer et al, I do have a good selection of both small frame Llama and Savage pistol parts. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-03-2019, 11:48 AM	#14
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	you guys are gonna learn one day to have a supply of large clear plastic bags for disassembly.....saved many parts that way.......

11-04-2019, 02:40 AM	#16
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	These Savage pistols are interesting. While perusing auctions, I saw one that had a more traditional "tab" type spur on its hammer, while most seem to be the fluted ring type. I suspect it was an earlier example. Its rear sight, as on a couple of others I've observed, is a groove in the top of an upward swelling at the rear of the slide, whereas mine has a tiny rear sight dovetailed in. I guess I'll have to brush up on what these configurations mean in terms of when they were produced. Their bolts and trigger systems are intriguing as well--very clever, quite intricate, and very finely made. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-04-2019, 05:16 AM	#17
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Very nice acquisition, congrats! BTW great pictures too. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-18-2019, 11:22 AM	#18
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	As per David's request, here are some pics and measurements to help with his rebuilding of the front of the slide on his Savage 1907. Sorry for the delay in posting, my Savage was not readily accessible. I included the rear sight so you can confirm yours is the same. The front of the slide is machined from solid stock and there is no separate bushing as can be seen in the pics. So yes, there is more than the width of a washer contacting the barrel, ie dimension A, .170" Attached Thumbnails

11-18-2019, 11:23 AM	#19
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	last 2 pics Attached Thumbnails

11-18-2019, 03:52 PM	#20
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	FYI, both the trigger and magazine release lever appear to have case hardening color with the barrel being left bare. Attached Thumbnails