A Luger on another board, I've no clue?

Dan44 · 04-08-2004, 08:44 PM

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showth...11#post1494211

Grips kinda look like East German, but did they go to the trouble of matching numbers?

Edward Tinker · 04-08-2004, 11:33 PM

Eagle 6, all over it.

Dan what does that mean?

The magazines appear to be in the "police" style, but the numbers are larger, makes me guess it is a east german police?

Ed

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Tell him, I'll give him $450 for it, as it is,

Dan44 · 04-09-2004, 12:28 AM

Thanks, I'll let the guy know.

Dwight Gruber · 04-09-2004, 02:45 AM

Dan,

This gun started life as a Simson, identified by all the Eagle/6 markings on it. It was reworked by the East German Volkspolizei (VoPo), with a Mauser 42-code toggle train (no E/6 on the rear toggle piece). It looks like the breechblock & extractor has been replaced by Mauser replacement parts, there is what looks like a Nazi power-proof on the left side of the receiver, but no other marks. It would be interesting to know if there is a serial# on the left side of the breechblock hidden by the receiver rails.

The gun has been rebarrelled during rework, as can be seen by the lack of serial# and the East German Suhl Crown/N power proof.

I'd bet that the #2 magazine is stamped 2/1001 on the mag body, an East German magazine stamp. the mag base is not aluminum. I'd be curious to know what is stamped on the #1 magazine.

This is a very interesting Luger on its own. It is more than "just a parts gun" as a correspondent on the other forum suggested. Some collectors feel that VoPo Lugers will come into their own as a legitimate variation with collection value. Simsons themselves are fairly uncommon Lugers, and this gun has two matching (VoPo) magazines. If and when VoPo Lugers attain the respect of collectors this gun will be a high-grade example.

--Dwight

Vlim · 04-09-2004, 07:06 AM

Hi,

This one indeed has all the hallmarks of an East-German rework as Dwight stated.

These guns really deserve more attention than they get as the quality of the reworking is very good, shooting quality of these guns is excellent and they were reworked in locations associated with pre-war Luger production (VEB Ernst Thaelmann also consisted of ex-Krieghoff/Simson facilities and most probably also the workers).

Although their exterior looks bland, they are carefully adjusted to work properly. The magazines are normally marked 02/1001 and are stamped to the gun with 1 and 2 suffixes to identify magazine #1 and magazine #2.

The grips are of a very good quality and are comfortable in the hand, my first choice for shooting.

If you find an etched serial number on the fire pin, that's normal and should match the last 2 digits of the frame serial number.

04-08-2004, 08:44 PM	#1
Dan44 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	A Luger on another board, I've no clue? http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showth...11#post1494211 Grips kinda look like East German, but did they go to the trouble of matching numbers?

04-08-2004, 11:33 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Eagle 6, all over it. Dan what does that mean? The magazines appear to be in the "police" style, but the numbers are larger, makes me guess it is a east german police? Ed <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/weimar_2_symbols.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/weimar_2_symbols.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> Tell him, I'll give him $450 for it, as it is, __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-09-2004, 12:28 AM	#3
Dan44 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks, I'll let the guy know.

04-09-2004, 02:45 AM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Dan, This gun started life as a Simson, identified by all the Eagle/6 markings on it. It was reworked by the East German Volkspolizei (VoPo), with a Mauser 42-code toggle train (no E/6 on the rear toggle piece). It looks like the breechblock & extractor has been replaced by Mauser replacement parts, there is what looks like a Nazi power-proof on the left side of the receiver, but no other marks. It would be interesting to know if there is a serial# on the left side of the breechblock hidden by the receiver rails. The gun has been rebarrelled during rework, as can be seen by the lack of serial# and the East German Suhl Crown/N power proof. I'd bet that the #2 magazine is stamped 2/1001 on the mag body, an East German magazine stamp. the mag base is not aluminum. I'd be curious to know what is stamped on the #1 magazine. This is a very interesting Luger on its own. It is more than "just a parts gun" as a correspondent on the other forum suggested. Some collectors feel that VoPo Lugers will come into their own as a legitimate variation with collection value. Simsons themselves are fairly uncommon Lugers, and this gun has two matching (VoPo) magazines. If and when VoPo Lugers attain the respect of collectors this gun will be a high-grade example. --Dwight

04-09-2004, 07:06 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,048 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,952 Times in 1,199 Posts	Hi, This one indeed has all the hallmarks of an East-German rework as Dwight stated. These guns really deserve more attention than they get as the quality of the reworking is very good, shooting quality of these guns is excellent and they were reworked in locations associated with pre-war Luger production (VEB Ernst Thaelmann also consisted of ex-Krieghoff/Simson facilities and most probably also the workers). Although their exterior looks bland, they are carefully adjusted to work properly. The magazines are normally marked 02/1001 and are stamped to the gun with 1 and 2 suffixes to identify magazine #1 and magazine #2. The grips are of a very good quality and are comfortable in the hand, my first choice for shooting. If you find an etched serial number on the fire pin, that's normal and should match the last 2 digits of the frame serial number.