Dish Toggle Variation ?

01-21-2002, 09:47 PM

I have noticed a luger on my cover of Aaron Davis' book, The Luger Handbook, that has a dish toggle but with an inlaid, vertical bar running through the toggle knobs.

On GunsAmerica, ad # GA-976110956 ($ 5,000), a 1902 luger is shown with this same "old" toggle variation.

Can anyone explain this toggle variation ? Is it something from the "transition" luger period before the -08 design was finalized ? Should this inlaid bar be "straw" finished ?

Thanks in advance for your help...

Pete

Thor · 01-21-2002, 10:00 PM

Pete, this was an early model Toggle LOCK! Yes, strawed is correct. Idea was to keep the toggle locked until it was time to open it. Actually the location of the various pins of the breech/toggle assembly negated the need for it, hence it was dropped on later models! ~Thor~

Johnny Peppers · 01-21-2002, 10:00 PM

Pete,

What you are seeing is the toggle lock, and it is only on the right hand side. The toggle lock prevented the toggle from unlocking too soon. The toggle assembly must move backwards slightly before it clears the latch that holds it down. This part is originally strawed.

The assembly works the same way if you are manually opening the toggle assembly. The entire toggle assembly must be pulled slightly to the rear to clear the latch before the toggle knobs will start up.

01-21-2002, 10:03 PM

Boy you guys are fast !!!

Thanks for the info.

tom · 01-22-2002, 09:07 AM

Toggle locks on lugers are analogous to Blish locks on

Thompsons-over engineering.

My two cents.

Tom

Dok · 01-22-2002, 09:37 AM

it's the German phrase for "over engineered"

01-21-2002, 09:47 PM	#1
Wm. "Pete" Ebbink Guest Posts: n/a	Dish Toggle Variation ? I have noticed a luger on my cover of Aaron Davis' book, The Luger Handbook, that has a dish toggle but with an inlaid, vertical bar running through the toggle knobs. On GunsAmerica, ad # GA-976110956 ($ 5,000), a 1902 luger is shown with this same "old" toggle variation. Can anyone explain this toggle variation ? Is it something from the "transition" luger period before the -08 design was finalized ? Should this inlaid bar be "straw" finished ? Thanks in advance for your help... Pete

01-21-2002, 10:00 PM	#2
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Dish Toggle Variation ? Pete, this was an early model Toggle LOCK! Yes, strawed is correct. Idea was to keep the toggle locked until it was time to open it. Actually the location of the various pins of the breech/toggle assembly negated the need for it, hence it was dropped on later models! ~Thor~

01-21-2002, 10:00 PM	#3
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Dish Toggle Variation ? Pete, What you are seeing is the toggle lock, and it is only on the right hand side. The toggle lock prevented the toggle from unlocking too soon. The toggle assembly must move backwards slightly before it clears the latch that holds it down. This part is originally strawed. The assembly works the same way if you are manually opening the toggle assembly. The entire toggle assembly must be pulled slightly to the rear to clear the latch before the toggle knobs will start up.

01-21-2002, 10:03 PM	#4
Wm. "Pete" Ebbink Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Dish Toggle Variation ? Boy you guys are fast !!! Thanks for the info.

01-22-2002, 09:07 AM	#5
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Dish Toggle Variation ? Toggle locks on lugers are analogous to Blish locks on Thompsons-over engineering. My two cents. Tom

01-22-2002, 09:37 AM	#6
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Isn't that what "Luger" means?... it's the German phrase for "over engineered"