P-08 extra mag, real or fake?

Dalugdog · 03-31-2024, 09:45 PM

I have an extra magazine that I can't be sure is real. All the markings seem to be legit except the spare mag's inspector mark
is not legible. I've posted photos. Thanks in advance for your help.

big open · 03-31-2024, 10:02 PM

Dalugdog ---- I'm no authority on inspectors' stamps (and anything else either) but to my tired old eyes the inspector's stamp on the "+" mag doesn't appear correct to me. It sure isn't the same stamp as the one on the other mag's. bottom. Or at least the two stamps weren't made by the same inspector. I have two lugers with matching mags. (same serial numbers as the pistol) and they do not have that kind of stamp. But who am I to judge anyway ??

Dalugdog · 03-31-2024, 10:24 PM

big open. Thanks for your response. From what little I know, the "+" indicates the spare mag. This "+" is not on the other one. There is a difference in the size of the eagles...
Thanks and regards

big open · 03-31-2024, 11:29 PM

Dalugdog ---- You are correct the "+" indicates a spare mag. (secondary mag.) and the other one would not have a + stamp. Yes, the difference in the size of the two eagle stamps leads me to believe the larger eagle is an added stamp and not original. I have several aluminum mags. with original stamps on the bottoms and none of them appear as the large eagle stamp in your photos. But don't take my word for anything, as I mentioned above I'm no judge or authority on anything. I've been buying lugers since the mid '60's and I'm still learning a lot from the guys in this forum.

gunnertwo · 04-01-2024, 12:41 AM

That E/655 is a fraudulent marking. The size gives it away. Some A-H applied the marking to good mags.

The marking dies are plentiful. This link is to a eBay seller that has multitudes of dies to make your gun "original".

Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/20468958894...sAAOSwCall7ysZ

This deception hurts all collectors, both new and experienced. It deceives the unknowledgeable and can ruin original examples.

The forum rules preclude me from using the language I would normally state.

G2

Edward Tinker · 04-01-2024, 11:53 AM

real mags with dubious markings

Dalugdog · 04-01-2024, 12:29 PM

So...both mags are fake?

big open · 04-01-2024, 09:18 PM

The mag without the "+" stamp appears original to my untrained eye. Too bad someone couldn't leave well enough alone but had to make something with a value into something with very little value except to use as a shooter accessory.

gunnertwo · 04-02-2024, 12:16 AM

Mags are good, the E/655 marks were added by fool trying to make them more valuable.

G2

Vlim · 04-02-2024, 09:39 AM

Yup. Good original mags, creative boosted markings.

Dalugdog · 04-02-2024, 08:53 PM

This is why the collecting of historical artifacts is intriguing and fun. All the new knowledge absorbed and the stories behind them, real or imagined. Thanks all for your help.

tharpo · 04-02-2024, 09:15 PM

Well, there is another red flag I see with these magazines. Has anyone ever seen a military fxo magazine with a "x" suffix? I haven't. Any "x" suffix magazine with a fxo marked body that I have seen were marked with a 1 or 2 on the base in Police style.
No 1 or 2 on these. Something is fishy.

Dalugdog · 04-02-2024, 11:36 PM

Thanks tharpo. Nice to know.

03-31-2024, 09:45 PM	#1
Dalugdog User Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	P-08 extra mag, real or fake? I have an extra magazine that I can't be sure is real. All the markings seem to be legit except the spare mag's inspector mark is not legible. I've posted photos. Thanks in advance for your help. Attached Thumbnails

04-01-2024, 11:53 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	real mags with dubious markings __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-31-2024, 10:02 PM	#2
big open Banned Join Date: Feb 2024 Location: northwest Montana in a remote area. Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 66 Times in 27 Posts	Dalugdog ---- I'm no authority on inspectors' stamps (and anything else either) but to my tired old eyes the inspector's stamp on the "+" mag doesn't appear correct to me. It sure isn't the same stamp as the one on the other mag's. bottom. Or at least the two stamps weren't made by the same inspector. I have two lugers with matching mags. (same serial numbers as the pistol) and they do not have that kind of stamp. But who am I to judge anyway ??

03-31-2024, 10:24 PM	#3
Dalugdog User Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	big open. Thanks for your response. From what little I know, the "+" indicates the spare mag. This "+" is not on the other one. There is a difference in the size of the eagles... Thanks and regards

03-31-2024, 11:29 PM	#4
big open Banned Join Date: Feb 2024 Location: northwest Montana in a remote area. Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 66 Times in 27 Posts	Dalugdog ---- You are correct the "+" indicates a spare mag. (secondary mag.) and the other one would not have a + stamp. Yes, the difference in the size of the two eagle stamps leads me to believe the larger eagle is an added stamp and not original. I have several aluminum mags. with original stamps on the bottoms and none of them appear as the large eagle stamp in your photos. But don't take my word for anything, as I mentioned above I'm no judge or authority on anything. I've been buying lugers since the mid '60's and I'm still learning a lot from the guys in this forum.

04-01-2024, 12:41 AM	#5
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 605 Thanks: 803 Thanked 909 Times in 351 Posts	That E/655 is a fraudulent marking. The size gives it away. Some A-H applied the marking to good mags. The marking dies are plentiful. This link is to a eBay seller that has multitudes of dies to make your gun "original". Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/20468958894...sAAOSwCall7ysZ This deception hurts all collectors, both new and experienced. It deceives the unknowledgeable and can ruin original examples. The forum rules preclude me from using the language I would normally state. G2

04-01-2024, 12:29 PM	#7
Dalugdog User Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So...both mags are fake?

04-01-2024, 09:18 PM	#8
big open Banned Join Date: Feb 2024 Location: northwest Montana in a remote area. Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 66 Times in 27 Posts	The mag without the "+" stamp appears original to my untrained eye. Too bad someone couldn't leave well enough alone but had to make something with a value into something with very little value except to use as a shooter accessory.

04-02-2024, 12:16 AM	#9
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 605 Thanks: 803 Thanked 909 Times in 351 Posts	Mags are good, the E/655 marks were added by fool trying to make them more valuable. G2

04-02-2024, 09:39 AM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Yup. Good original mags, creative boosted markings.

04-02-2024, 08:53 PM	#11
Dalugdog User Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is why the collecting of historical artifacts is intriguing and fun. All the new knowledge absorbed and the stories behind them, real or imagined. Thanks all for your help.

04-02-2024, 09:15 PM	#12
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 536 Thanks: 116 Thanked 375 Times in 153 Posts	Well, there is another red flag I see with these magazines. Has anyone ever seen a military fxo magazine with a "x" suffix? I haven't. Any "x" suffix magazine with a fxo marked body that I have seen were marked with a 1 or 2 on the base in Police style. No 1 or 2 on these. Something is fishy.

04-02-2024, 11:36 PM	#13
Dalugdog User Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks tharpo. Nice to know.