KrauseWerke .45 Caliber Luger - Page 2

Dwight Gruber · 04-07-2007, 07:21 PM

"Any advice about how to handle the problem would be reviewed"

Call Mike Krause.

--Dwight

drbuster · 04-07-2007, 08:50 PM

Pete and Dwight, Mike Krause does indeed have a manufacturer's license so technically his is a "factory".

Sieger · 04-09-2007, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tacfoley
Dear Mr Sieger - Sir, I think you have missed a point here.

There is NO factory, just Mr Michael Krause.

tac

Lieber Freund tac:

Sehr interessant!

Was nur gibt es?

Sieger

Sieger · 04-09-2007, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Edward Tinker
I have one of the spent cartridges shot through the 45 Luger, with a letter from Mike Jones attesting to it being original.

Ed

Dear Ed:

Does the spent .45 case have the same "step" from the forward chamber as the 9MMs due?

Sieger

Edward Tinker · 04-09-2007, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sieger
Dear Ed:

Does the spent .45 case have the same "step" from the forward chamber as the 9MMs due?

Sieger

not sure... I am in Philly and it is near Denver. It was "modern" (hence 1960's ??) 45 ACP ammo that was used and shot and functioned correctly from the article I read. The problem I read in the books on the ammo from the time, was that it was not reliable from Frankfurt (USA) arsenal.

Ed

Lugerdoc · 04-09-2007, 08:37 AM

ED, I understand that the original M1907 DWM .45 lugers, and probably Mike K's repros, were designed to operate properly on German made DM .45 ammo and did not function reliably with the US made ammo. I'd be interested in the head stamp marking on your spent round, if one of the German made ones. TH

Michael E Halbrook · 04-10-2007, 01:27 PM

I visited Mr. Krause's shop in San Mateo in May of 2002. I examined a .45 luger he had there at the time and asked several question about them. His guns are chambered for standard .45ACP. The gun I handled had been fired, it had grips with the plain border, in the style of Swiss made lugers.
"The Luger Story" by John Walter indicates Georg Luger had ammo made due to the erratic pressure and general poor quality of the Frankford arsenal .45 ammo.
My recent experience with an Interarms 29/70 in 9mm makes me think that the pressure curve may be critical in a luger as well.

Mike

Mike Jones · 04-10-2007, 02:26 PM

Tom,

All of the rounds fired from the .45 Luger in 1960 was US made ammo. I still have most of the brass. I know some if not all are REM-UMC. I will check and see if there are any other manufactors.

Mike Jones

Dwight Gruber · 04-11-2007, 11:31 AM

Mike,

While you are at it, it would be good if you could check the casing surface to see if it has the characteristic ring the stepped chamber leaves on 9mm cases.

--Dwight

Pete Ebbink · 04-11-2007, 01:26 PM

Dwight,

Mike Jones was very kind to send me one of the .45 casings and letter as well.

Mine is "REM-UMC 45 Auto" stamped and there are no surface rings visible with loupe magnification. No "step" in the shape of the casing, either.

Dwight Gruber · 04-11-2007, 05:42 PM

Pete,

Thanks much. I believe that this tells us a significant, if miniscule, piece of informatinon about these guns.

--Dwight

Pete Ebbink · 04-11-2007, 05:44 PM

Hi Dwight,

Can you make me smarter about the 'significant' portion...? Ballistically ???

Ron Wood · 04-15-2007, 10:47 PM

If I were to second-guess what Dwight was indicating, I would think that it is interesting that Georg didn't employ his patented chamber step in the .45.

Dwight Gruber · 04-16-2007, 02:59 AM

Ron second-guesses me correctly.

--Dwight

HisSoldier · 09-15-2007, 11:19 AM

I wonder what firing that first shot would cost to the value 50 years from now, if anyone living cares.

Edward Tinker · 09-15-2007, 12:08 PM

Glen, welcome to the forum.. I have mixed feelings on things like this, have heard of folks owning a 1970 Boss mustang for 35 years and barely driving it, hoping to get the most money out of it. Then, all those years you never had "fun" with it...

Ed

HisSoldier · 09-15-2007, 07:18 PM

Yes, I have a 1970 Mauser P08 7.65 MM (Not Swiss style) that is my only safe queen, I can't bear to shoot it, it was only fired at the factory. I believe they only made 5070 of them in that caliber. I'd love to buy a shooter.

Edward Tinker · 09-15-2007, 07:30 PM

oh, oh, now you'll make me laugh at myself, as I have a "few shooters" but a bunch of safe queens!

HisSoldier · 09-15-2007, 08:08 PM

Yes, I have a 1970 Mauser P08 7.65 MM (Not Swiss style) that is my only safe queen, I can't bear to shoot it, it was only fired at the factory. I believe they only made 5070 of them in that caliber. I'd love to buy a shooter.

HisSoldier · 09-15-2007, 08:09 PM

Wow, hit it twice, sorry.

04-09-2007, 08:37 AM	#26
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	ED, I understand that the original M1907 DWM .45 lugers, and probably Mike K's repros, were designed to operate properly on German made DM .45 ammo and did not function reliably with the US made ammo. I'd be interested in the head stamp marking on your spent round, if one of the German made ones. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-10-2007, 01:27 PM	#27
Michael E Halbrook User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nampa, ID Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I visited Mr. Krause's shop in San Mateo in May of 2002. I examined a .45 luger he had there at the time and asked several question about them. His guns are chambered for standard .45ACP. The gun I handled had been fired, it had grips with the plain border, in the style of Swiss made lugers. "The Luger Story" by John Walter indicates Georg Luger had ammo made due to the erratic pressure and general poor quality of the Frankford arsenal .45 ammo. My recent experience with an Interarms 29/70 in 9mm makes me think that the pressure curve may be critical in a luger as well. Mike __________________ I always regret not having learned yoga. When you are trussed up in a straightjacket trying to cut your own throat with a plastic spork held between your toes a background in yoga is invaluable.

04-15-2007, 10:47 PM	#33
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	If I were to second-guess what Dwight was indicating, I would think that it is interesting that Georg didn't employ his patented chamber step in the .45. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-15-2007, 11:19 AM	#35
HisSoldier User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Posts: 95 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	I wonder what firing that first shot would cost to the value 50 years from now, if anyone living cares. __________________ The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

09-15-2007, 12:08 PM	#36
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Glen, welcome to the forum.. I have mixed feelings on things like this, have heard of folks owning a 1970 Boss mustang for 35 years and barely driving it, hoping to get the most money out of it. Then, all those years you never had "fun" with it... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-07-2007, 07:21 PM	#21
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	"Any advice about how to handle the problem would be reviewed" Call Mike Krause. --Dwight

04-07-2007, 08:50 PM	#22
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Pete and Dwight, Mike Krause does indeed have a manufacturer's license so technically his is a "factory".

04-10-2007, 02:26 PM	#28
Mike Jones User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Torrance, Calif. Posts: 67 Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Tom, All of the rounds fired from the .45 Luger in 1960 was US made ammo. I still have most of the brass. I know some if not all are REM-UMC. I will check and see if there are any other manufactors. Mike Jones

04-11-2007, 11:31 AM	#29
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Mike, While you are at it, it would be good if you could check the casing surface to see if it has the characteristic ring the stepped chamber leaves on 9mm cases. --Dwight

04-11-2007, 01:26 PM	#30
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Dwight, Mike Jones was very kind to send me one of the .45 casings and letter as well. Mine is "REM-UMC 45 Auto" stamped and there are no surface rings visible with loupe magnification. No "step" in the shape of the casing, either.

04-11-2007, 05:42 PM	#31
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Pete, Thanks much. I believe that this tells us a significant, if miniscule, piece of informatinon about these guns. --Dwight

04-11-2007, 05:44 PM	#32
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Dwight, Can you make me smarter about the 'significant' portion...? Ballistically ???

04-16-2007, 02:59 AM	#34
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Ron second-guesses me correctly. --Dwight

09-15-2007, 07:18 PM	#37
HisSoldier User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Posts: 95 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	Yes, I have a 1970 Mauser P08 7.65 MM (Not Swiss style) that is my only safe queen, I can't bear to shoot it, it was only fired at the factory. I believe they only made 5070 of them in that caliber. I'd love to buy a shooter. __________________ The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

09-15-2007, 07:30 PM	#38
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	oh, oh, now you'll make me laugh at myself, as I have a "few shooters" but a bunch of safe queens! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-15-2007, 08:08 PM	#39
HisSoldier User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Posts: 95 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	Yes, I have a 1970 Mauser P08 7.65 MM (Not Swiss style) that is my only safe queen, I can't bear to shoot it, it was only fired at the factory. I believe they only made 5070 of them in that caliber. I'd love to buy a shooter. __________________ The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

09-15-2007, 08:09 PM	#40
HisSoldier User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Posts: 95 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	Wow, hit it twice, sorry. __________________ The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom