Correct tool, holster for American Eagle?

tony k · 03-12-2007, 01:42 PM

Hello again, guys! I'm been away (offline and at other forums) for so long, I hope someone still remembers me.

I'm back on a sad mission: A family member -- the one who first taught me to shoot, long ago -- has passed, and I'm helping find new homes for his guns.

His pride and joy was a 1906 .30 American Eagle Luger, SN 30366. I'll be posting pix of the Luger itself sometime soon, asking for your help in figuring out what it's worth.

In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out who made the loading tool and holster that are with it, and if they are correct for a 1906.

Here's the marking on the back of the brown holster:

And here's the only proof mark on the loading tool:

Any input or guidance would be appreciated.

And it's nice to be back!

Dwight Gruber · 03-12-2007, 02:50 PM

Tony,

Welcome back, leavened with sorrow for your loss.

The hallmark on the holster represents the retailer Albrecht Kind. Sometimes you see them with the iniitials AK, rather than Akah (the German pronunciation of the two letters). They were not actually sattlers, but had their own manufacture suppliers.

I would expect that the holster is a bit too short for the .30 AE barrel. AK holsters are generally found for standard (1908) Lugers, very often as Police issue. Check the front to see if it has a buckle closure, or if the buckle and strap have been removed and replaced with a vertical strap-and-stud police-style closure. Also check to see if there is any kind of unit mark.

Can't tell you anything abut the tool, but I expect others will chime in.

Looking forward to pictures of the gun.

--Dwight

Lugerdoc · 03-13-2007, 10:10 AM

Tony, Your tool is dwe/63 Mauser military production from the 1935-1937 period. TH

tony k · 03-13-2007, 09:30 PM

Thanks, guys. Those are in keeping with the gun -- somewhere around here we have the original sales receipt, from when he bought it (in 1955, IIRC). While I was hoping they were contemporary to the AE itself, they are not that far off. The two mags that came with the rig are both alloy-bottomed, not wood, so I did not expect everything to be right out of 1906.

I hope to get time in the next couple of days to photograph the AE and the holster. I'll post 'em here asap.

thegundude · 03-14-2007, 10:01 AM

I, for one, look forward to seeing it...

I've been eyeing a few AEs over the past few months, trying to wrap my head around the variations and values. They tend to range so far between it's tough.

Sorry for your loss. I hope he lived a long and fruitful life...

And welcome back.

Pete Ebbink · 05-16-2007, 09:34 PM

Tony,

I would be inclinded to place a M1906 AE Luger with an American-made vintage holster...e.g. HH Heiser Co.

Here are a few of mine...all for 4-3/4" except for the longer 8" holster in the basket-weave pattern and a 6" holster with the floral pattern. :

cirelaw · 05-17-2007, 10:28 AM

ERIC, MY deepest condolances, You both will live together, supported my happy memories and a common hobby.

Vlim · 05-17-2007, 11:46 AM

Hi,

About AKAH.

Albrecht Kind is a large gun supplier and still exists today. The company was founded in 1853 by Albrecht Kind and he began as a dealer of mainly Belgian made hunting rifles. The company started production of leather goods for the hunting market in 1865 and they opened their own leather works in 1871.

The company was hit hard as a result of the second world war, losing both their Berlin and Neurenberg production facilities. The company relocated to Hunstig and the facilities in Neurenberg were rebuilt. They have produced their leatherworks in their own shops, as well as scope mounts, gunsmith tools and stocks and have retailed guns, ammunition, and assorted hunting equipment for more than 150 years, now.

rolandtg · 05-18-2007, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pete Ebbink
Tony,

I would be inclinded to place a M1906 AE Luger with an American-made vintage holster...e.g. HH Heiser Co.

Here are a few of mine...all for 4-3/4" except for the longer 8" holster in the basket-weave pattern and a 6" holster with the floral pattern. :

I wish someone would reproduce that plain flap holster.
I have a holster that is made for my Ruger MKII that looks almost identical to that one except it's open at the bottom.

03-12-2007, 01:42 PM	#1
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Correct tool, holster for American Eagle? Hello again, guys! I'm been away (offline and at other forums) for so long, I hope someone still remembers me. I'm back on a sad mission: A family member -- the one who first taught me to shoot, long ago -- has passed, and I'm helping find new homes for his guns. His pride and joy was a 1906 .30 American Eagle Luger, SN 30366. I'll be posting pix of the Luger itself sometime soon, asking for your help in figuring out what it's worth. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out who made the loading tool and holster that are with it, and if they are correct for a 1906. Here's the marking on the back of the brown holster: And here's the only proof mark on the loading tool: Any input or guidance would be appreciated. And it's nice to be back!

03-13-2007, 10:10 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Tony, Your tool is dwe/63 Mauser military production from the 1935-1937 period. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-14-2007, 10:01 AM	#5
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	I, for one, look forward to seeing it... I've been eyeing a few AEs over the past few months, trying to wrap my head around the variations and values. They tend to range so far between it's tough. Sorry for your loss. I hope he lived a long and fruitful life... And welcome back. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

03-12-2007, 02:50 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Tony, Welcome back, leavened with sorrow for your loss. The hallmark on the holster represents the retailer Albrecht Kind. Sometimes you see them with the iniitials AK, rather than Akah (the German pronunciation of the two letters). They were not actually sattlers, but had their own manufacture suppliers. I would expect that the holster is a bit too short for the .30 AE barrel. AK holsters are generally found for standard (1908) Lugers, very often as Police issue. Check the front to see if it has a buckle closure, or if the buckle and strap have been removed and replaced with a vertical strap-and-stud police-style closure. Also check to see if there is any kind of unit mark. Can't tell you anything abut the tool, but I expect others will chime in. Looking forward to pictures of the gun. --Dwight

03-13-2007, 09:30 PM	#4
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks, guys. Those are in keeping with the gun -- somewhere around here we have the original sales receipt, from when he bought it (in 1955, IIRC). While I was hoping they were contemporary to the AE itself, they are not that far off. The two mags that came with the rig are both alloy-bottomed, not wood, so I did not expect everything to be right out of 1906. I hope to get time in the next couple of days to photograph the AE and the holster. I'll post 'em here asap.

05-16-2007, 09:34 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Tony, I would be inclinded to place a M1906 AE Luger with an American-made vintage holster...e.g. HH Heiser Co. Here are a few of mine...all for 4-3/4" except for the longer 8" holster in the basket-weave pattern and a 6" holster with the floral pattern. :

05-17-2007, 10:28 AM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	ERIC, MY deepest condolances, You both will live together, supported my happy memories and a common hobby.

05-17-2007, 11:46 AM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, About AKAH. Albrecht Kind is a large gun supplier and still exists today. The company was founded in 1853 by Albrecht Kind and he began as a dealer of mainly Belgian made hunting rifles. The company started production of leather goods for the hunting market in 1865 and they opened their own leather works in 1871. The company was hit hard as a result of the second world war, losing both their Berlin and Neurenberg production facilities. The company relocated to Hunstig and the facilities in Neurenberg were rebuilt. They have produced their leatherworks in their own shops, as well as scope mounts, gunsmith tools and stocks and have retailed guns, ammunition, and assorted hunting equipment for more than 150 years, now.