1893 Loewe Borchardt

[StarOfTheWest]

I have no idea.
I am afraid to take it apart.

Edit to add:
Found an exploded diagram through Wikipedia.

Borchardt diagram

[alvin]

Thanks. This is very helpful.

Just checked that diagram. The previous guesstimation was not too far away from it.

The trigger has "U" shaped sear arm, the back arm of "U" facing the sear is narrower on the top so it does not touch the sear when trigger is at rest. When trigger is pushed, the back arm of "U" raises its position and gradually pushing the sear bar inward. Sear bar rotates around the sear screw and release the firing pin. The disconnecting mechanism looks same as Parabellum.

http://www.mek-schuetzen.de/Blueprin...ing_Pistol.png

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The trigger has no pivot. It's hard to see why it does not fall out.

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Never mind. Picture #11 tells why the trigger does not fall out.

[Meridius]

Hey you should chrome plate that thing to give it a little more shine.

That really is a beautiful Borchardt. Those things really attest to the brilliance of German craftsmanship and engineering. I'm patiently waiting for the price on 'em to drop a little before I run out and buy one...

[Navy]

Meridius,

Me thinks you will have a LONG wait. I waited nearly 50 years for mine and finally got it about 18 months ago. Was fortunate to have a dear friend turn up a complete, less strap, set of accessories at the Reno show last year. All it took was time and $$.

Tom A

[the gunman]

Tom Im still waiting 50 years for mine. " No Luck Yet" But hope is still there.

[Meridius]

With the way prices have been going lately I doubt I'll ever be able to afford one. The last rig I saw sold for $18,000. How much are cased Borchardts with all of the accessories selling for nowadays? Is it in the 30 grand range?

[Navy]

Minty rigs with all accessories top $80K; price drops from there. Generally speaking, a collector grade borchie (95%) with case and accessories should be in the $55-60K range I'd guess, but they so seldom come on the market, it is really hard to say. In any event, it is going to be a LOT more than the price of a nice new car.

Tom A

[StarOfTheWest]

So, guesstimates on this one's value?
It has no accessories, just the gun.

[alvin]

Don't know. Usually, a gun matches one of the following condtions is expansive, and this one fulfills all of them:

(1) People could search and wait many years for it (50 !!);
(2) No FFL/paperwork needed for transferring;
(3) Low production + Hot type.

[Navy]

Miss Star,

Mam' based on my experience and dabbling in the market, I'd estimate a value of around $20K for your gun.

Tom A

[Mauser720]

Miss Star -

Supposedly there were only 1,104 of these pistols made by Ludwig Loewe. I think it might be worth your time to acquire a current edition of "The Blue Book of Gun Values" and see what it says.

Mauser720 - Ron

[StarOfTheWest]

Thanks very much, folks.
I appreciate your time, and will definitely be checking the Blue Book.
This gun might be for sale in the near future.

[Imperial Arms]

The prices of cased Borchardts have been jumpy since the past few years depending on the eagerness from collectors. In my opinion, a cased Borchardt in +95% condition with most of its accessories could fetch a price of $40-$45k. However, if the 'temperature is hot', it is quite possible for the price to break the $50k mark.

One of the main reasons for the rapid escalation of the price is the demand from countries where this item is 'free' (no import permit required).

I remember in the mid 1980's when nobody wanted Borchardts and their price was less than a M1902 Luger Carbine. Today, a cased Borchardt brings double the value of a Luger Carbine!

Albert

[laoshi75]

"This gun might be for sale in the near future."

Anna,

you probably have to make some selections in your first class collection, but I personnally would not sell this one. you might enjoy to find out the missing accessories? your pleasure is worth more than some thousands dollars. money is so futile & volatile.

[alvin]

Just finished reading chapter 1 of "Luger Story... From the Maxim Machine-gun to the Borchardt Pistol". Lots of fun to have the book and the above pictures side by side, reading & comparing.

According to Mr. Walter, the gun with stock (standard) was $35 in 1898. Extra $5 for the case.

[weico]

A nice borchardt,luger carabine,luger's and other nice weapons are soon for sale in julianauctions..!


Enjoy the pic's..!

http://juliaauctions.net/auctions/23...talog_233.asp?


weico

[drbuster]

Weico, An impressive array of Lugers. The price range is up there in line with Simpson's.

[Ron Wood]

The Borchardt and accessories are very attractive. But a word of caution for anyone who might be tempted to expend lots of money to purchase this low serial number (#19) Borchardt. The gun and accessory group has been assembled (i.e. not originally together). The serial number falls in the very early pre-production range, but the gun is late production Loewe. It has been renumbered and perhaps the accessories made to match. It is a lovely ensemble, but consider any potential purchase with your eyes open.

[alvin]

Luger Story (Walter, 2001) mentioned that #19 was probably the gun appeared in British journal "Engineering" in May 1895 (page 32). Walter did not say that he saw #19 or not.... probably he did, otherwise, how did he know it looked like the one printed on the journal. Assume the one printed on the British journal was #19, I just compared, it looks different from this #19 in auction. This is another #19.

Or, the #19 Walter saw was actually this one, but he wrongly thought it's the same gun as printed in the British journal?

[alvin]

Thought it again.... curious from academic point of view --

Is there any possibility that two #19 were made.... One pre-production hand-made #19, and another one in normal production?

Just a wild guess.