DWM Wooden Holster Stock

Hugo Borchardt · 02-01-2012, 07:07 PM

Fake? Or what is this for if it doesn't fit a luger?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...=271512500#PIC

Thanks!!!

Clark

saab-bob · 02-01-2012, 07:27 PM

Hi Clark
IMHO it looks alot like a stock for Russian Machine pistol called a Stechkin.
Bob

CavScoutEurope · 02-01-2012, 07:40 PM

kinda looks like a C 96 holster/ stock to me.

sheepherder · 02-01-2012, 07:48 PM

Browning Hi-Power??? Lahti???

alanint · 02-01-2012, 08:32 PM

Not a Stechkin stock. They have a different method of attachment and the stock also incorporates a large belt clip.

If the DWM stamp is for real, then it must date to the period when the company was extant.

CavScoutEurope · 02-02-2012, 09:46 AM

I'm fairly certain that it is a C 96 holster/stock. The gap in the bottom of the stock is for the broom handles grip. If you go to: http://www.collectorssource.com/hand...d-harness.html there is one for sale with good images.

lugerholsterrepair · 02-02-2012, 09:56 AM

Nick..

I'm fairly certain that it is a C 96 holster/stock. The stock might be I can't say without fitting a pistol in it but the stock iron certainly isn't.
A C-96 iron is an outie and the iron on this one is an innie.
Will NOT fit on a C-96.

John Sabato · 02-02-2012, 10:04 AM

I think it is a C96 stock that has been re-fitted with a stock iron for a different pistol. Luger? maybe... some early Luger stock irons had push buttons instead of levers...

I have never seen a DWM cartouche on a stock like the one in this auction... so I can't offer an opinion as to whether or not it is original, or added to give the stock some additional character or inflated value. Certainly doubtful that DWM manufactured Mauser C96 stocks... but not impossible.

But in reality could be any pistol that has a similar shoulder stock lug to the one that is standard on a Luger... Lahti being an example...

alanint · 02-02-2012, 11:08 AM

The bottom opening, ostensively for the "Broomhandle" grip to protrude from is a large rectangle, not a small circle, as is typical on C96 stocks.

This large, rectangular opening is clearly intended to allow a magazine feed style grip to protrude from it, not a broomhandle style grip.

This and the "inny, rather than "outy" style stock latch completely eliminates this as a C96 stock, IMHO
It really is a mystery at this point!

DavidJayUden · 02-02-2012, 11:26 AM

I wish the seller would try a Luger in it. The channel for the stock lug, and its respective curve, do look compatable with a Luger. I'm not sure about the button tensioner, but I guess there is no reason why one could not be made to work there.
I'm also concerned whether a luger would fit inside, what with the width of the toggle and safety lever.
Definitely not C-96 or Hi Power, and I don't have the Lahti here to check, but as I recall their lug is similar to a Luger.
Not sure what other models to consider?
dju

Vlim · 02-02-2012, 12:03 PM

This stock, or a relative of it, has been discussed on the forum a number of years before.

I'm pretty sure that it will take a luger, judging from the 'ramp' in the cutout for the grip.

saab-bob · 02-02-2012, 12:44 PM

Vlim
I recall that thread. The difference I noticed between that stock and this one is the factory production nature of this stock.
Everything looks well made, fits well and is complete with a stamp.

The stock discussed before looked like a either a roughhewn Chinese item or homemade.

Could this stock be a example of the mystical unicorn of luger accessories?
A genuine Luger holster stock????????????
Bob

John Sabato · 02-02-2012, 03:43 PM

Let me stir the pot a little more... How about a holster stock for a P-35 Browning Hi-Power? I have no idea what the stock attachment looks like on that variety... but the square hole for a magazine type pistol that did have a shoulder stocked version fits this profile... whatyathink?

DavidJayUden · 02-02-2012, 04:11 PM

I happen to have a slotted Ingliss Canadian Hi Power, and it is actually slotted for an inside "I" mount, similar to the c-96. And it is straight, not curved.
What other stocked/lugged pistols are there? Radom?
dju

sheepherder · 02-02-2012, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

What other stocked/lugged pistols are there?

Many...Seems like every time I open up Pistols Of The World to see what an obscure pistol looks like, it is shown with a shoulder stock...

Some revolvers were even mfg'd with detachable shoulder stocks...

John Sabato · 02-03-2012, 11:06 AM

A cautionary note for anyone who has a one-off shoulder stock like this example.

PLEASE remember that if the stock and the associated pistol are not specifically called out in the ATF website as being exempt from the provisions of the National Firearms Act of 1934, that the possession of a shoulder stocked pistol or the pieces to assemble such a pistol that isn't exempted is a violation of federal law because you have constructed, or can assemble, what is referred to as a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR)... a shoulder weapon with a rifled barrel of less than 16 inches from breechface to muzzle...

You can only possess a (non-exempted) SBR --- IF and ONLY IF you have paid a $200.00 tax and received in advance the appropriate approved tax stamp from the BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives).

Failure to obtain and possess the tax stamp can land you in the pokey for a long time... and a conviction will cost you your right to bear arms FOREVER.

If anyone buys the stock in question here, make sure you don't have a pistol that will attach to it until you have the stamp. BATFE agents are not known for their sense of humor in these matters.

02-01-2012, 07:07 PM	#1
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 338 Thanked 131 Times in 47 Posts	DWM Wooden Holster Stock Fake? Or what is this for if it doesn't fit a luger? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...=271512500#PIC Thanks!!! Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

02-01-2012, 07:27 PM	#2
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Clark IMHO it looks alot like a stock for Russian Machine pistol called a Stechkin. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

02-01-2012, 07:48 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Browning Hi-Power??? Lahti??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

02-02-2012, 09:56 AM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Nick.. I'm fairly certain that it is a C 96 holster/stock. The stock might be I can't say without fitting a pistol in it but the stock iron certainly isn't. A C-96 iron is an outie and the iron on this one is an innie. Will NOT fit on a C-96. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-02-2012, 10:04 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I think it is a C96 stock that has been re-fitted with a stock iron for a different pistol. Luger? maybe... some early Luger stock irons had push buttons instead of levers... I have never seen a DWM cartouche on a stock like the one in this auction... so I can't offer an opinion as to whether or not it is original, or added to give the stock some additional character or inflated value. Certainly doubtful that DWM manufactured Mauser C96 stocks... but not impossible. But in reality could be any pistol that has a similar shoulder stock lug to the one that is standard on a Luger... Lahti being an example... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-01-2012, 07:40 PM	#3
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	kinda looks like a C 96 holster/ stock to me.

02-01-2012, 08:32 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Not a Stechkin stock. They have a different method of attachment and the stock also incorporates a large belt clip. If the DWM stamp is for real, then it must date to the period when the company was extant.

02-02-2012, 09:46 AM	#6
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	I'm fairly certain that it is a C 96 holster/stock. The gap in the bottom of the stock is for the broom handles grip. If you go to: http://www.collectorssource.com/hand...d-harness.html there is one for sale with good images.

02-02-2012, 11:08 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The bottom opening, ostensively for the "Broomhandle" grip to protrude from is a large rectangle, not a small circle, as is typical on C96 stocks. This large, rectangular opening is clearly intended to allow a magazine feed style grip to protrude from it, not a broomhandle style grip. This and the "inny, rather than "outy" style stock latch completely eliminates this as a C96 stock, IMHO It really is a mystery at this point!

02-02-2012, 11:26 AM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I wish the seller would try a Luger in it. The channel for the stock lug, and its respective curve, do look compatable with a Luger. I'm not sure about the button tensioner, but I guess there is no reason why one could not be made to work there. I'm also concerned whether a luger would fit inside, what with the width of the toggle and safety lever. Definitely not C-96 or Hi Power, and I don't have the Lahti here to check, but as I recall their lug is similar to a Luger. Not sure what other models to consider? dju

02-02-2012, 12:03 PM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,043 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,928 Times in 1,194 Posts	This stock, or a relative of it, has been discussed on the forum a number of years before. I'm pretty sure that it will take a luger, judging from the 'ramp' in the cutout for the grip.

02-02-2012, 12:44 PM	#12
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Vlim I recall that thread. The difference I noticed between that stock and this one is the factory production nature of this stock. Everything looks well made, fits well and is complete with a stamp. The stock discussed before looked like a either a roughhewn Chinese item or homemade. Could this stock be a example of the mystical unicorn of luger accessories? A genuine Luger holster stock???????????? Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

02-02-2012, 03:43 PM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Let me stir the pot a little more... How about a holster stock for a P-35 Browning Hi-Power? I have no idea what the stock attachment looks like on that variety... but the square hole for a magazine type pistol that did have a shoulder stocked version fits this profile... whatyathink? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-02-2012, 04:11 PM	#14
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I happen to have a slotted Ingliss Canadian Hi Power, and it is actually slotted for an inside "I" mount, similar to the c-96. And it is straight, not curved. What other stocked/lugged pistols are there? Radom? dju

02-03-2012, 11:06 AM	#16
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	A cautionary note for anyone who has a one-off shoulder stock like this example. PLEASE remember that if the stock and the associated pistol are not specifically called out in the ATF website as being exempt from the provisions of the National Firearms Act of 1934, that the possession of a shoulder stocked pistol or the pieces to assemble such a pistol that isn't exempted is a violation of federal law because you have constructed, or can assemble, what is referred to as a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR)... a shoulder weapon with a rifled barrel of less than 16 inches from breechface to muzzle... You can only possess a (non-exempted) SBR --- IF and ONLY IF you have paid a $200.00 tax and received in advance the appropriate approved tax stamp from the BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives). Failure to obtain and possess the tax stamp can land you in the pokey for a long time... and a conviction will cost you your right to bear arms FOREVER. If anyone buys the stock in question here, make sure you don't have a pistol that will attach to it until you have the stamp. BATFE agents are not known for their sense of humor in these matters. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*