Value of reblued Luger

mr.109 · 07-21-2018, 07:02 PM

I have a friend who wishes to sell his Luger. It is a DWM 1916 standard Luger with an excellent bore and no matching magazine. It was professionally reblued (blue black not rust blued). What would a fair ballpark price for this?

sheepherder · 07-21-2018, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.109

I have a friend who wishes to sell his Luger. It is a DWM 1916 standard Luger with an excellent bore and no matching magazine. It was professionally reblued (blue black not rust blued). What would a fair ballpark price for this?

Is it all matching? Are the edges sharp and crisp? Are the proofs/numbers/markings sharp and crisp?

Pics would certainly help.

DonVoigt · 07-21-2018, 08:33 PM

Depends, could be $300 or $800; or somewhere in between.
But it has to "shoot" to be worth that. JMHO.

mr.109 · 07-21-2018, 09:47 PM

I do not have photos, but the bluing is very well done and I am familiar with the person who did this as he did one of my guns and does excellent work. The Luger does have all matching numbers and all stampings and markings are still sharp. Overall the reblued gun is around 95%+

DonVoigt · 07-21-2018, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.109

I do not have photos, but the bluing is very well done and I am familiar with the person who did this as he did one of my guns and does excellent work. The Luger does have all matching numbers and all stampings and markings are still sharp. Overall the reblued gun is around 95%+

Doesn't really matter, reblued = shooter; not collectible anymore(sometimes are truly rare piece with be an exception).

That said, some folks like pretty, shiny pistols.
Value is in the eye of the buyer.

sheepherder · 07-21-2018, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Doesn't really matter, reblued = shooter; not collectible anymore(sometimes are truly rare piece with be an exception).

If a 'collector' did not have that particular variation of Luger, it might be worth slightly more than a shooter as a 'placeholder'. Until the 'collector' could obtain an unmolested specimen of that variation.

IMO, it's not so much the re-bluing that devalues it so drastically - it's the ham-handed buffing the snot out of it!!!

It's not supposed to be smooth and shiny! They're military issue! It should have tool marks and a dull finish! A smoothed, buffed Luger is an embarrassment

/rant

mr.109 · 07-21-2018, 11:21 PM

Thank you for your replies gentlemen. I am looking for a 'shooter' Luger. I have several all original Lugers of my own, but frown upon shooting them for fear of breaking an original part on an all matching Luger. I have enjoyed shooting other Lugers in the past and just wanted to experience that again with my own Luger. Thanks!

sheepherder · 07-21-2018, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.109

I have a friend who wishes to sell his Luger. It is a DWM 1916 standard Luger with an excellent bore and no matching magazine. It was professionally reblued (blue black not rust blued). What would a fair ballpark price for this?

Without pics there's really no way to tell.

Sergio Natali · 07-22-2018, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mr.109

I do not have photos, but the bluing is very well done and I am familiar with the person who did this as he did one of my guns and does excellent work. The Luger does have all matching numbers and all stampings and markings are still sharp. Overall the reblued gun is around 95%+

Any restoration would kill the value of the pistol.
Some pictures would certainly help, and as some people say, without pictures is a bit like getting a haircut over the phone by a blind person.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-22-2018, 12:27 PM

I am looking for a 'shooter' Luger. Actually a 1916 Luger is a poor choice for a shooter. Mauser made some very important changes to Luger's that should be considered when choosing s "shooter" . Look into it.

DonVoigt · 07-22-2018, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

I am looking for a 'shooter' Luger. Actually a 1916 Luger is a poor choice for a shooter. Mauser made some very important changes to Luger's that should be considered when choosing s "shooter" . Look into it.

I may be in the "minority" but I'm not at all convinced that Mauser made any "important" changes to their production. Folks talk about "metallurgy", and the names and specs put out by Mauser sound impressive- but are not that much different from DWM materials.
JMHO.

Depending on the date on the Mauser luger, it could be 18 or 26 years "newer" than the 1916 DWM, and have had a much shorter and "easier" service life.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-22-2018, 01:14 PM

Don, I am not talking about "metallurgy". German steel was the best in the World. Herr Krupp pioneered it.

But lets enter into some of the modifications and see..Take a look at the extractor...compare a Mauser to a 1916. Mauser beefed up the hook that holds it in place. Failure of the extractor is a serious stoppage. The Swiss went even further than Mauser and completely encircled the hook for extreme reliability. Evidence of these changes indicates it was a problem on WW1 Luger's.

DonVoigt · 07-22-2018, 02:09 PM

Then just put a Mauser extractor in the 1916.
I've not had an extractor fail, but if it did- as you say it is a real show stopper.

Will a Swiss extractor fit an German luger? As you say the circle is much "stronger"- and probably easier to make.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-22-2018, 02:17 PM

Jeeze..you some kind of crazed Luger mechanic? (rhetorical question alert!) There are a few other important changes you are ignoring...But yes, you could start changing out parts. Mauser actually did that initially on a lot of Police guns.

Good question..I don't know.

DonVoigt · 07-22-2018, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Jeeze..you some kind of crazed Luger mechanic? (rhetorical question alert!) There are a few other important changes you are ignoring...But yes, you could start changing out parts. Mauser actually did that initially on a lot of Police guns.

Good question..I don't know.

Yes, crazed(or crazy) or just curious.

I'd like to know what the other important changes are when you get time to list them.

Some folks suggest changing the entire toggle train for shooting, if one wishes to preserve the original from any chance of damage.

But then that is the reason to have a "shooter".

lugerholsterrepair · 07-22-2018, 08:32 PM

Time? It's Sunday! I get double time or triple..I forget which. Fluted firing pin..Mauser hump. Gas escape hole...probably some other stuff I have forgotten.

DonVoigt · 07-22-2018, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Time? It's Sunday! I get double time or triple..I forget which. Fluted firing pin..Mauser hump. Gas escape hole...probably some other stuff I have forgotten.

Ok,
-fluted firing pin was introduced and ordered by the Reichswehr in 1930 and retrofitted to many earlier lugers. So was not a Mauser improvement.(Pistole Parabellum, green, p-1074).

-Mauser hump- may have solved one of the rare problems that must have happened due to wear or ?? A malfunction that I have also never experienced, but makes sense-kind of like belt and suspenders. Mauser first added the hump, then substituted a longer flat back frame, found it caused a problem with the tail of the toggle striking it, and went back to the hump. Kreighoff used the longer flat frame for all production per Pistole Parabellum.

-Mauser did not add a gas escape hole, the Finn's did.

Numbering of the rear toggle axle was also introduced by Reichswehr or police armorers , not Mauser.

Luger minutiae, I have too much time I guess!

Thanks for taking the overtime to answer!

lugerholsterrepair · 07-23-2018, 10:50 AM

Geeze..if you know so much about it why are you asking me? But good to know...Thanks!

sheepherder · 07-23-2018, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Geeze..if you know so much about it why are you asking me?

Don's just anal about details. If you ask him what time it is, he'll tell you how to build a clock.

Norme · 07-23-2018, 12:28 PM

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Don's just anal about details. If you ask him what time it is, he'll tell you how to build a clock.

I'm anal too, it's all my Mother's fault, I was toilet trained too early. Too late to do anything about it now I guess.
Norm

07-21-2018, 07:02 PM	#1
mr.109 User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Value of reblued Luger I have a friend who wishes to sell his Luger. It is a DWM 1916 standard Luger with an excellent bore and no matching magazine. It was professionally reblued (blue black not rust blued). What would a fair ballpark price for this?

07-21-2018, 08:33 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,440 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	Depends, could be $300 or $800; or somewhere in between. But it has to "shoot" to be worth that. JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

07-22-2018, 12:27 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,855 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	I am looking for a 'shooter' Luger. Actually a 1916 Luger is a poor choice for a shooter. Mauser made some very important changes to Luger's that should be considered when choosing s "shooter" . Look into it. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-22-2018, 01:14 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,855 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Don, I am not talking about "metallurgy". German steel was the best in the World. Herr Krupp pioneered it. But lets enter into some of the modifications and see..Take a look at the extractor...compare a Mauser to a 1916. Mauser beefed up the hook that holds it in place. Failure of the extractor is a serious stoppage. The Swiss went even further than Mauser and completely encircled the hook for extreme reliability. Evidence of these changes indicates it was a problem on WW1 Luger's. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-22-2018, 02:09 PM	#13
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,440 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	Then just put a Mauser extractor in the 1916. I've not had an extractor fail, but if it did- as you say it is a real show stopper. Will a Swiss extractor fit an German luger? As you say the circle is much "stronger"- and probably easier to make. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

07-21-2018, 09:47 PM	#4
mr.109 User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I do not have photos, but the bluing is very well done and I am familiar with the person who did this as he did one of my guns and does excellent work. The Luger does have all matching numbers and all stampings and markings are still sharp. Overall the reblued gun is around 95%+

07-21-2018, 11:21 PM	#7
mr.109 User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thank you for your replies gentlemen. I am looking for a 'shooter' Luger. I have several all original Lugers of my own, but frown upon shooting them for fear of breaking an original part on an all matching Luger. I have enjoyed shooting other Lugers in the past and just wanted to experience that again with my own Luger. Thanks!

07-22-2018, 02:17 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,855 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Jeeze..you some kind of crazed Luger mechanic? (rhetorical question alert!) There are a few other important changes you are ignoring...But yes, you could start changing out parts. Mauser actually did that initially on a lot of Police guns. Good question..I don't know. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-22-2018, 08:32 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,855 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Time? It's Sunday! I get double time or triple..I forget which. Fluted firing pin..Mauser hump. Gas escape hole...probably some other stuff I have forgotten. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-23-2018, 10:50 AM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,855 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Geeze..if you know so much about it why are you asking me? But good to know...Thanks! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."