new artillery 1915 Luger

10e.licorne · 02-05-2007, 03:18 PM

hi

it's not the same quality of my auther Luger but that do you think about this one

1915 and Serial number 4968

thanks

lugerholsterrepair · 02-05-2007, 07:12 PM

Looks like it has a front sight off a rifle...Jerry Burney

tracyp · 02-05-2007, 07:16 PM

It looks like the front sight has been modified. It shouldn't cover the chamber date.

policeluger · 02-05-2007, 07:32 PM

do you mean rear sight?

Ron Smith · 02-05-2007, 07:46 PM

The rear sight is off of a Mauser 98 Carbine. They did a good job of marrying it to the base.

Big Norm · 02-06-2007, 12:17 PM

The front sight isn't right either. It was standard to have a adjustible front sight on a 1915 and this one does not appear to be adjustible. (hard to tell from the pictures though) Even considering that, it just does not look right. There should be a base that elevates the sight. Frankly, this gun looks to be rebarreled. The parts that should be strawed look like they were blued. Bad buffing job on the rebluing of the gun. The locking bolt lever isn't right either. The checkered knob has been badly messed with. I think that that is enough on this gun. I pass on it.

If I had any interest in this gun, I would look at the rear toggle to see in an old P-08 sight was filed off. I would have to, physically, see the gun and take a close look to really tell. I think that it is a 'put-together' by someone trying to make more money off of an artillery.

Big Norm

10e.licorne · 02-06-2007, 01:22 PM

I will try to now more about this pistol

I was in an expectativ way t's for that I post it

it's didn't come from an collector who wanted to make monney i dont think that

may be an artisanal works post war

sorry for my english

10e.licorne · 02-08-2007, 02:25 AM

it's an old rework made by an arsenal gunsmith for itself

it' was found in a stock of old firearms and was rusty
it was file-down and reblue without any knowledge in 1955

this explain that

best regards from france

Ron Wood · 02-08-2007, 09:15 AM

A pretty clever adaptation of a rifle sight. The step behind the side plate is odd...does it have any function?

Lugerdoc · 02-08-2007, 09:42 AM

The TDL appears to be from either a M29 Swiss or a Swiss model Parabellum. TH

Les · 02-12-2007, 11:04 PM

Rear sight looks to be from broom mauser to me..but modified ..another example of rework lugers

Steinar · 02-13-2007, 04:11 AM

That's an interesting puzzle sorriaux, thanks for sharing

For me it looks like a k98 sight, put into German 1915 DWM, without receiver markings on right side but with a matching swiss TDL and magazine. And it doesn't end there.. some strange piece is placed behind the side plate (to improve mag release spring?) and the front of the barrel looks somewhat home made, making me lean towards a Schmeizer barrel made to fit the Luger. All probably done in a time where there was a lot more Lugers that people drawling over them..

..in short.. buy it!

(as a LP08 looking shooter)
Not all modifications is made to enhance the value. I'm guessing a similar situation in France as we have here in norway.. It's often hard to sell a rare Krieghoff for more than a S/42 in same condition. So putting that much work into 'faking' a Luger would be rather silly. Looks like this Luger has it's own special history to tell, and if you're lucky, it's pleasant to shoot with as well. Just my two pfennig

btw. does the receiver have the notch for the rear sight? ..over the chamber, towards the barrel.

DCCUK · 02-13-2007, 07:57 AM

Hello from England
Just my two penceworth too.....

What is the Law in France on this type of pistol?
Is it classed as a pistol or a carbine?
Can you keep it at home and take it out to the range to shoot?
I am asking because we have some very strange FIREARMS laws in the UK
http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/oper.../firearms.html
but being in the EU maybe one day we will get commonality.....

In the mean time I will continue to shoot my Luger, Lahti, PP etc at Bisley.

BR DCCUK

10e.licorne · 02-13-2007, 09:20 PM

tanks morgan ...I d'nt want to buy it ....I prefere my LP1918 for shooting
but it was a curiosity ...for me to now more about this one

DCCuk we have a lot of problems here in France for collecting firearms
we have a list of 80 firearms we may collect it's only very scarce piece
at last we may collect pistols or gun made before 1871...

the auther way is to be a shooter you may have after un police inquiry 12 firearms (7 in military caliber and 5 in civil caliber) you have an autorisation for 5 years

after you have the legal way it's to send its to the Saint Etienne proof arsenal to be desactited ......the good way for current pieces but not for an
Krieghoff "P" serial ....

best regards
tanks for all

jean marie

Steinar · 02-14-2007, 03:27 PM

Jean, things are a little different here. But if things get more strict.. perhaps I would need to consider this one http://www.members.cox.net/lvrbgun/luger.html

02-05-2007, 03:18 PM	#1
10e.licorne User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: near Perpignan in France Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	new artillery 1915 Luger hi it's not the same quality of my auther Luger but that do you think about this one 1915 and Serial number 4968 thanks __________________ d'nt say i will do it .... do it

02-05-2007, 07:12 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Looks like it has a front sight off a rifle...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-05-2007, 07:46 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	The rear sight is off of a Mauser 98 Carbine. They did a good job of marrying it to the base. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-06-2007, 01:22 PM	#7
10e.licorne User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: near Perpignan in France Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I will try to now more about this pistol I was in an expectativ way t's for that I post it it's didn't come from an collector who wanted to make monney i dont think that may be an artisanal works post war sorry for my english __________________ d'nt say i will do it .... do it

02-08-2007, 02:25 AM	#8
10e.licorne User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: near Perpignan in France Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	it's an old rework made by an arsenal gunsmith for itself it' was found in a stock of old firearms and was rusty it was file-down and reblue without any knowledge in 1955 this explain that best regards from france __________________ d'nt say i will do it .... do it

02-05-2007, 07:16 PM	#3
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	It looks like the front sight has been modified. It shouldn't cover the chamber date.

02-05-2007, 07:32 PM	#4
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	do you mean rear sight?

02-06-2007, 12:17 PM	#6
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	The front sight isn't right either. It was standard to have a adjustible front sight on a 1915 and this one does not appear to be adjustible. (hard to tell from the pictures though) Even considering that, it just does not look right. There should be a base that elevates the sight. Frankly, this gun looks to be rebarreled. The parts that should be strawed look like they were blued. Bad buffing job on the rebluing of the gun. The locking bolt lever isn't right either. The checkered knob has been badly messed with. I think that that is enough on this gun. I pass on it. If I had any interest in this gun, I would look at the rear toggle to see in an old P-08 sight was filed off. I would have to, physically, see the gun and take a close look to really tell. I think that it is a 'put-together' by someone trying to make more money off of an artillery. Big Norm

02-08-2007, 09:15 AM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	A pretty clever adaptation of a rifle sight. The step behind the side plate is odd...does it have any function? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-08-2007, 09:42 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The TDL appears to be from either a M29 Swiss or a Swiss model Parabellum. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-12-2007, 11:04 PM	#11
Les User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: texas Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rear sight looks to be from broom mauser to me..but modified ..another example of rework lugers

02-13-2007, 04:11 AM	#12
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	That's an interesting puzzle sorriaux, thanks for sharing For me it looks like a k98 sight, put into German 1915 DWM, without receiver markings on right side but with a matching swiss TDL and magazine. And it doesn't end there.. some strange piece is placed behind the side plate (to improve mag release spring?) and the front of the barrel looks somewhat home made, making me lean towards a Schmeizer barrel made to fit the Luger. All probably done in a time where there was a lot more Lugers that people drawling over them.. ..in short.. buy it! (as a LP08 looking shooter) Not all modifications is made to enhance the value. I'm guessing a similar situation in France as we have here in norway.. It's often hard to sell a rare Krieghoff for more than a S/42 in same condition. So putting that much work into 'faking' a Luger would be rather silly. Looks like this Luger has it's own special history to tell, and if you're lucky, it's pleasant to shoot with as well. Just my two pfennig btw. does the receiver have the notch for the rear sight? ..over the chamber, towards the barrel. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

02-13-2007, 07:57 AM	#13
DCCUK User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N Somerset, UK Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello from England Just my two penceworth too..... What is the Law in France on this type of pistol? Is it classed as a pistol or a carbine? Can you keep it at home and take it out to the range to shoot? I am asking because we have some very strange FIREARMS laws in the UK http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/oper.../firearms.html but being in the EU maybe one day we will get commonality..... In the mean time I will continue to shoot my Luger, Lahti, PP etc at Bisley. BR DCCUK

02-13-2007, 09:20 PM	#14
10e.licorne User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: near Perpignan in France Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	tanks morgan ...I d'nt want to buy it ....I prefere my LP1918 for shooting but it was a curiosity ...for me to now more about this one DCCuk we have a lot of problems here in France for collecting firearms we have a list of 80 firearms we may collect it's only very scarce piece at last we may collect pistols or gun made before 1871... the auther way is to be a shooter you may have after un police inquiry 12 firearms (7 in military caliber and 5 in civil caliber) you have an autorisation for 5 years after you have the legal way it's to send its to the Saint Etienne proof arsenal to be desactited ......the good way for current pieces but not for an Krieghoff "P" serial .... best regards tanks for all jean marie __________________ d'nt say i will do it .... do it

02-14-2007, 03:27 PM	#15
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Jean, things are a little different here. But if things get more strict.. perhaps I would need to consider this one http://www.members.cox.net/lvrbgun/luger.html __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane