1900 with three non-matching parts

CAP Black · 02-01-2009, 02:28 PM

I have a 1900 "test" group luger. Serial number XX49 except the take-down pin, trigger and grips have been repaced. All three have matching number 82 on them. All others bear the 49 number. The gun is a beauty with say 90 % bluing and 80 % strawing. No abuse, a little wear on a corner or two from holster insertions, etc. Bore is great, grips are super. Gun was put away and well maintanied for 60 years or more. Is it a keeper or a throw back? What's she apt to be worth?

Thanks

CAP Black

Ron Wood · 02-01-2009, 04:35 PM

The only two XX49 Test Lugers I have in the data base are 6249 and 7049. Any chance your Luger is one of those? If it isn't, I would really appreciate knowing the full serial number so that I can add it to the data. It certainly sounds like a keeper, but if you want to throw it away, I'll take it!

U.S. Test Trial Lugers are frequently mis-matched. Photos would help in evaluating it and determining if the replaced parts are vintage 1900.

CAP Black · 02-01-2009, 04:58 PM

Its 6849. Will send some pictures tomorrow-from the office. I have them there.

CAP Black · 02-01-2009, 07:14 PM

Pictures are in Albums section; page 3[ Jack's 1900 AE.

Hope you can review them there. I don't know how to get them transferred.

Ron Wood · 02-01-2009, 08:20 PM

Good looking gun. Hard to tell from the glare and the size of the photo, but it looks like the takedown is numbered on the right round end...correct?

CAP Black · 02-01-2009, 08:35 PM

That's right. The trigger and grips have the same number.
thanx
Jack

CAP Black · 02-01-2009, 09:38 PM

So how many are in your database? Any patterns of the various numbers and where they went and where they seem to appear from? Mine came from the family of a Penna. WWII vet. They don't know how he obtained it. What seems to be the benefit of collecting the numbers? What is one like this worth? The holster is supposed to be on the way to me. If its original I'd be interested in knowing what its worth. Might end up selling them.

CAP Black · 02-02-2009, 10:35 AM

I added two new pictures to my album
Jack

CAP Black · 02-03-2009, 09:23 AM

Still need help on the validity of the gun being of a "test" vintage and as to the Fair Market Price.

thanx
Jack

CAP Black · 02-03-2009, 08:25 PM

Was seeking straight scoop about my new acquisition # xx49 and put up some pictures but don't know if it is a "test' group gun or not and what it might be worth?

Thanks again.

Edward Tinker · 02-03-2009, 09:23 PM

I am not sure why you have not gotten a direct answer, but I see you've asked the value 3 or 4 times.

It looks VERY nice, I think too nice for a 100 year old gun.

The Test Lugers run in the 6100-7100 serial number range (that is what is commonly said); I looked it up- and it is within the Bannerman numbers, which is very nice.

Value depends; if "restored" it is worth around $1,800 and if original and in this shape $2800 or so.

If the holster is a true test holster it is worth $1500-$2000, however there have been reproductions for years and if so, only worth about $75. It could also be just a luger holster or a civilian commercial one and that would not be worth a ton of money.

Whether restored or not, it is a piece of history and one many collectors would like to own.

Ed

weimar_lugers@verizon.net

alvin · 02-03-2009, 09:41 PM

I just looked up in "Central Power Pistols", 6849 is Bannerman. It's an official TE. Value, I don't know. Ron and Ed are experts.

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It's a torture searching "Album" for pix. I did not find it. Is it possible to post them here?

02-01-2009, 02:28 PM	#1
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	1900 with three non-matching parts I have a 1900 "test" group luger. Serial number XX49 except the take-down pin, trigger and grips have been repaced. All three have matching number 82 on them. All others bear the 49 number. The gun is a beauty with say 90 % bluing and 80 % strawing. No abuse, a little wear on a corner or two from holster insertions, etc. Bore is great, grips are super. Gun was put away and well maintanied for 60 years or more. Is it a keeper or a throw back? What's she apt to be worth? Thanks CAP Black

02-01-2009, 04:35 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	The only two XX49 Test Lugers I have in the data base are 6249 and 7049. Any chance your Luger is one of those? If it isn't, I would really appreciate knowing the full serial number so that I can add it to the data. It certainly sounds like a keeper, but if you want to throw it away, I'll take it! U.S. Test Trial Lugers are frequently mis-matched. Photos would help in evaluating it and determining if the replaced parts are vintage 1900. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-01-2009, 04:58 PM	#3
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	Number Its 6849. Will send some pictures tomorrow-from the office. I have them there.

02-01-2009, 08:20 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Good looking gun. Hard to tell from the glare and the size of the photo, but it looks like the takedown is numbered on the right round end...correct? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-03-2009, 08:25 PM	#10
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	To keep or throw back is still the question? Was seeking straight scoop about my new acquisition # xx49 and put up some pictures but don't know if it is a "test' group gun or not and what it might be worth? Thanks again.

02-01-2009, 07:14 PM	#4
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	Pictures are in Albums section; page 3[ Jack's 1900 AE. Hope you can review them there. I don't know how to get them transferred.

02-01-2009, 08:35 PM	#6
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	That's right. The trigger and grips have the same number. thanx Jack

02-01-2009, 09:38 PM	#7
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	So how many are in your database? Any patterns of the various numbers and where they went and where they seem to appear from? Mine came from the family of a Penna. WWII vet. They don't know how he obtained it. What seems to be the benefit of collecting the numbers? What is one like this worth? The holster is supposed to be on the way to me. If its original I'd be interested in knowing what its worth. Might end up selling them.

02-02-2009, 10:35 AM	#8
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	I added two new pictures to my album Jack

02-03-2009, 09:23 AM	#9
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	Still need help on the validity of the gun being of a "test" vintage and as to the Fair Market Price. thanx Jack

02-03-2009, 09:23 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I am not sure why you have not gotten a direct answer, but I see you've asked the value 3 or 4 times. It looks VERY nice, I think too nice for a 100 year old gun. The Test Lugers run in the 6100-7100 serial number range (that is what is commonly said); I looked it up- and it is within the Bannerman numbers, which is very nice. Value depends; if "restored" it is worth around $1,800 and if original and in this shape $2800 or so. If the holster is a true test holster it is worth $1500-$2000, however there have been reproductions for years and if so, only worth about $75. It could also be just a luger holster or a civilian commercial one and that would not be worth a ton of money. Whether restored or not, it is a piece of history and one many collectors would like to own. Ed weimar_lugers@verizon.net __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-03-2009, 09:41 PM	#12
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I just looked up in "Central Power Pistols", 6849 is Bannerman. It's an official TE. Value, I don't know. Ron and Ed are experts. === It's a torture searching "Album" for pix. I did not find it. Is it possible to post them here?