.30 Luger vs .30 mauser?

rkl56119 · 07-20-2008, 07:43 PM

Is .30 Luger the same as .30 Mauser?

If they are, can I use the Tokarov 7.62X25 in a .30 caliber Luger pistol?

Edward Tinker · 07-20-2008, 07:57 PM

NO, in fact, no

Ed

alvin · 07-20-2008, 08:00 PM

No, they are not same.

.30 Luger (7,65x21) is much weaker than .30 Mauser (7,63x25). Although .30 Mauser (7,63x25) and .30 Tokarev (7,62x25) are almost identical, you are not supposed to use those cheap surplus Tokarev ammo in an expansive Mauser pistol either. Many Mausers have been damaged that way.

rkl56119 · 07-20-2008, 08:06 PM

Thanks for the quick reply. I assumed that since they were both German calibers that it was the same.

Steinar · 07-21-2008, 07:37 AM

rkl56119;
Don't mess it up with the 7.65x25mm Borchardt or 7.65x17mm Browning eighter.. It's not that confusing for us 'over here' where we use the metric system

Ron Wood · 07-21-2008, 10:09 AM

It isn't just a metric thing. As a quick example, on this side of the puddle we have the .45 Colt and the .45 ACP, both American calibers but hardly the same!

Vlim · 07-21-2008, 12:05 PM

Although the cartridges are different in dimensions (and loads!!), they share a common background.

Both the .30 luger (7.65mm Parabellum) and the .30 Mauser (7.63mm Mauser) started out as the 7.65mm Borchardt round and for a short while there was no visible difference between the Borchardt and the Mauser rounds, except for the packaging labels.

DWM/Georg Luger created the .30 luger round by effectively shortening the length of the 7.65mm Borchardt round, while Mauser's C/96 appearantly needed some more 'oompf' and the Mauser load was increased while the dimensions remained the same as those of the Borchardt round. Of course, later the Russians took off with the .30 Mauser and created their 7.62 Tokarev round, which basically again is a .30 Mauser round and dimensionally the same as the Mauser and the Borchardt. Again it's the increased loads that appeared at a later date that separated the Tokarev from the Mauser and the Borchard round...

...You can write a book about these things...

In any case, don't get your .30's mixed up, will hurt guns and owners..

07-20-2008, 07:43 PM	#1
rkl56119 User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	.30 Luger vs .30 mauser? Is .30 Luger the same as .30 Mauser? If they are, can I use the Tokarov 7.62X25 in a .30 caliber Luger pistol?

07-20-2008, 07:57 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	NO, in fact, no Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-21-2008, 07:37 AM	#5
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	rkl56119; Don't mess it up with the 7.65x25mm Borchardt or 7.65x17mm Browning eighter.. It's not that confusing for us 'over here' where we use the metric system __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

07-21-2008, 10:09 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	It isn't just a metric thing. As a quick example, on this side of the puddle we have the .45 Colt and the .45 ACP, both American calibers but hardly the same! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-20-2008, 08:00 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	No, they are not same. .30 Luger (7,65x21) is much weaker than .30 Mauser (7,63x25). Although .30 Mauser (7,63x25) and .30 Tokarev (7,62x25) are almost identical, you are not supposed to use those cheap surplus Tokarev ammo in an expansive Mauser pistol either. Many Mausers have been damaged that way.

07-20-2008, 08:06 PM	#4
rkl56119 User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the quick reply. I assumed that since they were both German calibers that it was the same.

07-21-2008, 12:05 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Although the cartridges are different in dimensions (and loads!!), they share a common background. Both the .30 luger (7.65mm Parabellum) and the .30 Mauser (7.63mm Mauser) started out as the 7.65mm Borchardt round and for a short while there was no visible difference between the Borchardt and the Mauser rounds, except for the packaging labels. DWM/Georg Luger created the .30 luger round by effectively shortening the length of the 7.65mm Borchardt round, while Mauser's C/96 appearantly needed some more 'oompf' and the Mauser load was increased while the dimensions remained the same as those of the Borchardt round. Of course, later the Russians took off with the .30 Mauser and created their 7.62 Tokarev round, which basically again is a .30 Mauser round and dimensionally the same as the Mauser and the Borchardt. Again it's the increased loads that appeared at a later date that separated the Tokarev from the Mauser and the Borchard round... ...You can write a book about these things... In any case, don't get your .30's mixed up, will hurt guns and owners..