Lanyard...Any Thoughts ?

Pete Ebbink · 10-29-2007, 11:45 AM

Picked this up on eBay...not a whole lot of money.

Ad said Dutck KNIL...but I doubted that as the style does not match what is shown in my 3 books on Dutch arms and holsters.

In the back of my mind, I was thinking "Swiss"...only because of the style of some of the leather workings...nothing in my Swiss books point to this lanyard, either...

Anyone have any ideas ?

Vlim · 10-29-2007, 12:45 PM

Pete,

Dutch Navy is more likely. I have 2 similar to yours, but with a square attachment piece for the swivel. See if you can make out the stamp 'Made in England' on the flat strap. It's faintly visible on one of mine.

There are some photographs (also in the Dutch Luger) of Dutch navy staff wearing this style of braided leather lanyard.

If I remember correctly Jerry once mentioned 'Portugese' as well, as both are pretty similar.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-29-2007, 02:40 PM

Gerben, some good points..Pete. Nice looking lanyard. Really hard to pin down it's origin or even if it's a pistol lanyard or if it was issue or commercial.
It almost has to be commercial. The standard Dutch issue was a flat type. I am not aware if the Swiss issued a lanyard at all. You have seen probably more Swiss photo's than anyone else..ever see a period Swiss wearing a lanyard?
That's pretty much what I have depended on over the years..Period photo's.
There are some photographs (also in the Dutch Luger) of Dutch navy staff wearing this style of braided leather lanyard.
Gerben, Are these Pistol lanyards?
Often lanyards were used for many other purposes.

As Gerben says...this is made in the style purported to be the Portugese Lanyard. I have never substantiated that the Portugese lanyard actually exists , was issued or where it might have been made.

Anyway..A nice lanyard Pete.
Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 10-29-2007, 02:44 PM

This one is coming to my from NL in the next week or so...

Will let you know if I see any markings...

I do no recall seeing any swiss officers with lanyards...but since they rode horses, maybe some did...???

Just a WAG...

Here is the link to the eBay ad and what the seller had written :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN:IT&ih=001

Vlim · 10-29-2007, 03:06 PM

Sorry for the bad photograph:

It's a detail shot of a Dutch navy troop carrying a Dutch navy luger (the P08 type) in the P08-style navy holster, the braided lanyard is clearly visible. Judging from the wear and shape of my lanyards, as well as from the photos I've seen, the lanyards were carried around the epaulette on the opposite shoulder, rather than around the neck as the auction photo shows.

Jerry: A valid point: Lanyards can and will be used for a number of tasks, and I would be the last one to call it a luger lanyard, but it appears to have been in use as a pistol lanyard mostly. Near water lanyards make sense.

This is one of mine:

Pete Ebbink · 10-29-2007, 03:27 PM

Following Gerben's lead (thanks...!!!), I looked at photos in "The Dutch Luger" book more closely with a magnifying glass...on page 206 as an example :

These fellows were Dutch marines in 1935 in the German Saar territory...

I feel MUCH better about my $ 49 win on eBay...

John Sabato · 10-30-2007, 12:51 PM

Guys, I have one of the purported Portuguese lanyards, and it is made from cylindrical leather like an old Singer sewing machine belt. I am pretty sure it is a reproduction... it was a gift many years ago from our old friend and co-founder Patrick Villiers... I miss having his expertise around here... I understand he hangs out on Jan Still's forum... but I don't have enough time to read both. I only go there when a member here references a thread over there of interest.

thegundude · 10-30-2007, 12:57 PM

Where does one find these Luger lanyards? I've been looking but have been unable to locate even a reproduction. I take they're pretty scarce, huh?

Quote:

Originally posted by John Sabato
I only go there when a member here references a thread over there of interest.

Me too. I was able to create an account once a long time ago but never could log in again when I switched computers (2 computers ago). I just come here where things are familiar (I fear change)...

John Sabato · 10-30-2007, 01:03 PM

Steve, If you can remember your UserID from Jan's forum, there is a "lost password" link on the first page where you can recover your logon credentials...

thegundude · 10-30-2007, 01:10 PM

Thanks, John. But that's the problem. None of my usual username/email combinations are working and after several attempts it timed me out. If I spent another couple of hours trying I might could "break the spell" but, when I consider doing it I realize that I'm perfectly happy over here.

Maybe I'll give it another go later on but I suspect that it has an old email address I can no longer access. Perhaps I should just start a new account...

Pete Ebbink · 10-30-2007, 03:36 PM

Steve,

Since I have 1 Dutch Luger in my collection and am slowly adding the "accoutrements"...I do a search for "KNIL" on eBay and the European eBay sites and eGun for Dutch KNIL items...

I was just luckly no one else saw the item. I won it for my opening bid...but I am embarrassed to tell what my max. bid was...glad no other bidders exposed that...

Vlim · 10-30-2007, 03:44 PM

Quote:

...but I am embarrassed to tell what my max. bid was...

Your Dutch ancestry is still visible, Pete!

thegundude · 10-30-2007, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pete Ebbink
Steve,

Since I have 1 Dutch Luger in my collection and am slowly adding the "accoutrements"...I do a search for "KNIL" on eBay and the European eBay sites and eGun for Dutch KNIL items...

Was the Dutch Luger the only one with the lanyard?

el_loco · 11-04-2007, 10:26 AM

there is a photo in a book, showing soldiers from norway with a lanyard on the luger.
lugers from the portugal-contract were sold with a lanyard in the middle-70s

regards klaus

John Sabato · 11-06-2007, 03:22 PM

Steve, try checking with Ed Tinker, since he moderates over there as well. He may have database access to that forum and might be able to look you up based on your ID, location, etc... and maybe he can set you back up in the same user account. If Ed can't do it, surely Jan Still could if he has time.

thegundude · 11-06-2007, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by el_loco
there is a photo in a book, showing soldiers from norway with a lanyard on the luger.
lugers from the portugal-contract were sold with a lanyard in the middle-70s

regards klaus

Thanks, Klaus. I've been studying my copy of Benders "Luger Holster and Accessories" and that seems like about it. I think the Siamese guns also had lanyards too but I'm still checking into that.

I looks like I won't have to worry about getting a lanyard to round out my collection since most were never issued with lanyards.

thegundude · 11-06-2007, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by John Sabato
Steve, try checking with Ed Tinker, since he moderates over there as well. He may have database access to that forum and might be able to look you up based on your ID, location, etc... and maybe he can set you back up in the same user account. If Ed can't do it, surely Jan Still could if he has time.

That's an excellent suggestion, John. Thanks!!

Edward Tinker · 11-06-2007, 04:16 PM

Steve, shoot me an email and I'll fix you up.

ed

Pete Ebbink · 11-08-2007, 05:41 PM

Gerben,

Lanyard is now home.

I looked carefully on the leather and metal...no maker's stamping seen...

cirelaw · 11-09-2007, 12:49 PM

Jerry Burney hand make the most beautiful, most authentic lanyards ive yet seen, for my test luger, I know he has a large back order. Since I still cant figure out how to upload my photo, simple e-me Eric, 'snookem13@aol.com.' Jerry is so modest!!

10-29-2007, 11:45 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Lanyard...Any Thoughts ? Picked this up on eBay...not a whole lot of money. Ad said Dutck KNIL...but I doubted that as the style does not match what is shown in my 3 books on Dutch arms and holsters. In the back of my mind, I was thinking "Swiss"...only because of the style of some of the leather workings...nothing in my Swiss books point to this lanyard, either... Anyone have any ideas ?

10-29-2007, 02:40 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Gerben, some good points..Pete. Nice looking lanyard. Really hard to pin down it's origin or even if it's a pistol lanyard or if it was issue or commercial. It almost has to be commercial. The standard Dutch issue was a flat type. I am not aware if the Swiss issued a lanyard at all. You have seen probably more Swiss photo's than anyone else..ever see a period Swiss wearing a lanyard? That's pretty much what I have depended on over the years..Period photo's. There are some photographs (also in the Dutch Luger) of Dutch navy staff wearing this style of braided leather lanyard. Gerben, Are these Pistol lanyards? Often lanyards were used for many other purposes. As Gerben says...this is made in the style purported to be the Portugese Lanyard. I have never substantiated that the Portugese lanyard actually exists , was issued or where it might have been made. Anyway..A nice lanyard Pete. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-30-2007, 12:51 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Guys, I have one of the purported Portuguese lanyards, and it is made from cylindrical leather like an old Singer sewing machine belt. I am pretty sure it is a reproduction... it was a gift many years ago from our old friend and co-founder Patrick Villiers... I miss having his expertise around here... I understand he hangs out on Jan Still's forum... but I don't have enough time to read both. I only go there when a member here references a thread over there of interest. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-30-2007, 01:03 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Steve, If you can remember your UserID from Jan's forum, there is a "lost password" link on the first page where you can recover your logon credentials... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-30-2007, 01:10 PM	#10
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks, John. But that's the problem. None of my usual username/email combinations are working and after several attempts it timed me out. If I spent another couple of hours trying I might could "break the spell" but, when I consider doing it I realize that I'm perfectly happy over here. Maybe I'll give it another go later on but I suspect that it has an old email address I can no longer access. Perhaps I should just start a new account... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

10-29-2007, 12:45 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Pete, Dutch Navy is more likely. I have 2 similar to yours, but with a square attachment piece for the swivel. See if you can make out the stamp 'Made in England' on the flat strap. It's faintly visible on one of mine. There are some photographs (also in the Dutch Luger) of Dutch navy staff wearing this style of braided leather lanyard. If I remember correctly Jerry once mentioned 'Portugese' as well, as both are pretty similar.

10-29-2007, 02:44 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	This one is coming to my from NL in the next week or so... Will let you know if I see any markings... I do no recall seeing any swiss officers with lanyards...but since they rode horses, maybe some did...??? Just a WAG... Here is the link to the eBay ad and what the seller had written : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN:IT&ih=001

10-29-2007, 03:06 PM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Sorry for the bad photograph: It's a detail shot of a Dutch navy troop carrying a Dutch navy luger (the P08 type) in the P08-style navy holster, the braided lanyard is clearly visible. Judging from the wear and shape of my lanyards, as well as from the photos I've seen, the lanyards were carried around the epaulette on the opposite shoulder, rather than around the neck as the auction photo shows. Jerry: A valid point: Lanyards can and will be used for a number of tasks, and I would be the last one to call it a luger lanyard, but it appears to have been in use as a pistol lanyard mostly. Near water lanyards make sense. This is one of mine:

10-29-2007, 03:27 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Following Gerben's lead (thanks...!!!), I looked at photos in "The Dutch Luger" book more closely with a magnifying glass...on page 206 as an example : These fellows were Dutch marines in 1935 in the German Saar territory... I feel MUCH better about my $ 49 win on eBay...

10-30-2007, 03:36 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Steve, Since I have 1 Dutch Luger in my collection and am slowly adding the "accoutrements"...I do a search for "KNIL" on eBay and the European eBay sites and eGun for Dutch KNIL items... I was just luckly no one else saw the item. I won it for my opening bid...but I am embarrassed to tell what my max. bid was...glad no other bidders exposed that...

11-04-2007, 10:26 AM	#14
el_loco Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: bavaria - germany Posts: 49 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	there is a photo in a book, showing soldiers from norway with a lanyard on the luger. lugers from the portugal-contract were sold with a lanyard in the middle-70s regards klaus __________________ Extra Bavariam nulla vita, et si est vita, non est ita

11-06-2007, 03:22 PM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Steve, try checking with Ed Tinker, since he moderates over there as well. He may have database access to that forum and might be able to look you up based on your ID, location, etc... and maybe he can set you back up in the same user account. If Ed can't do it, surely Jan Still could if he has time. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-06-2007, 04:16 PM	#18
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Steve, shoot me an email and I'll fix you up. ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-08-2007, 05:41 PM	#19
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Gerben, Lanyard is now home. I looked carefully on the leather and metal...no maker's stamping seen...

11-09-2007, 12:49 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Jerry Burney hand make the most beautiful, most authentic lanyards ive yet seen, for my test luger, I know he has a large back order. Since I still cant figure out how to upload my photo, simple e-me Eric, 'snookem13@aol.com.' Jerry is so modest!!