Luger Artillery Holster On Ebay

Big Norm · 10-13-2007, 11:47 PM

I was about to put a bid on this artillery holster rig but the bidding go outta sight before I got in.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ksid=p3907.m29

What recession? There's still people with lotso mola out there. Personally, I thought that the magazine pouch was thrown in. A little miscoloring on some parts. But it had the hard to find stock cup. Oh well , I'm glad that I have the artillery holsters that I have. I almost skipped the last Ohio Gun Collectors Assn (OGCA) meeting last month so that could set myself up for some grouse hunting. But I went and I picked up some fine artillery holster leather. Right place, right time.

Big Norm

rayman1 · 10-15-2007, 02:11 AM

Almost $4,500! Pretty insane. What good would it be to have such an expensive item to not enjoy putting a pistol in and taking it out to shoot with it. I think I'd have to put that rig behind glass and wipe the dust off with a diaper even if the mag pouch didn't really match. But it's truly a nice rig!

George Anderson · 10-15-2007, 09:02 AM

That's an extraordinary price for a very ordinary outfit. The cleaning rod is the best part of the set and the pouch is a repro.

Edward Tinker · 10-15-2007, 09:07 AM

Previous discussion for a holster from the same seller;
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=17802

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=220144013149

These two holsters caused a big stir on Jan Still's board, enough that he deleted the thread & comments, as both seller and buyer are members of both of these forums.

Big Norm · 10-15-2007, 11:33 AM

Sorry Ed, I don't mean to be contentious about this article. I was seriously considering puting in a bid before the price got out of my limited mental range. I felt that finding an original stock cup and all straps overcame the fact that an original 1917 artillery holster is pretty easily found, if you search hard enough. I won't go into the magazine pouch other than to say that the color doesn't match because I am not that smart. Navy holsters are another one of those thingies that I rarely comment on because of my 'Mad Cow' disease. As hard as I try, I'm just not a Jerry Burney. But $4400 for something that I couldn't physically examine...thats a lot.
Big Norm

Mauser720 · 10-15-2007, 06:45 PM

IMHO I think it is suspicious that the person who paid this much money for that holster also has only one previous transaction on eBay. It is also strange that one transaction is kept "private" supposedly to protect the privacy of the bidder. At this point you have no way of knowing if that was even a legitimate bid. Anyone who will have only one previous sucessful bid to their credit on all of eBay, and then jump in with that kind of a bid is very suspect.

Mauser720 - Ron

lew1 · 10-15-2007, 07:37 PM

It is a difficult situation.

At any given time and place such can happen. I have lost a couple of thiings in similar situations, and later found out that the person I lost to was respectable and the instances were happenchance.

But if a pattern is created, then it is an animal of a different color. It would be like a seller I know who has too many mint weapons, some with rare markings. It is a case of too many too often.

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Big Norm · 10-16-2007, 04:38 AM

Lets not be too suspicious. Maybe the buyer has a one nice artillery and wanted to make it into a full rig. This was a good opportunity. I know that if I would see a stock or a magazine that matched one of my artilleries or navies, I would go kinda nuts in my bidding, and thats coming from someone who is nuts on a normal basis anyway. But its diffficult to keep tract of pricing on Lugers and accessories. Prices are jumping all over the place. And some accessories are difficult to find for anybody.

I would like to make a comment about the seller here since my previous comments might be construed as sort of negative. I had trouble seeing EACH of the pictures of this rig because EACH picture was about 50% deleted (or greyed out) either by Ebay or my server. I emailed the seller and he emailed a total set of good pictures of this rig. A class act from a total gentleman. If he is reading this post, I would just like to thank him.
Big Norm

nickn · 10-16-2007, 06:04 AM

i am the seller of both rigs what is suspicoius about a 1 rated bidder we all were at one time!
the buyer of the second rig has just bought an artillery and did not want to wait around to find a "bargain" rig which i can understand having done the same with ss daggers a few years back
there was nothing untoward going on in both auctions you must all have read dows posts and mine there was a slight misunderstanding but dow and myself sorted this small matter out to both our satisfaction
as for the price i have sold a rig for more ,in real terms, a few years back when the dollar was stronger in Ã?Â£ i think after conversion it sold for Ã?Â£3200 which today is nearly $6500! .i only have a few complete rigs and a couple of spare stocks left inc a truely mint 1914 dated example .with 3 matchimg mag poutches, which i expect would fetch far more then $4500
nick
i am using a new name as a bought a new computer and could not remember which email address or pass word i used so it was easier to register again

Edward Tinker · 10-16-2007, 07:42 AM

old name "nnoonan"

nickn · 10-16-2007, 04:32 PM

george with respect
the pouch is not a repro

George Anderson · 10-17-2007, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nickn
george with respect
the pouch is not a repro

Is it maker marked? It is not a pouch for an LP08 from 1914-1918.

nickn · 10-17-2007, 09:29 AM

no it is not maker marked
when i bought it i sent photos to jerry to get a price on restitching
he said it was a commercial piece and i agree
would you like some detailed photos?

George Anderson · 10-17-2007, 10:30 AM

Nick, thanks for the offer but not necessary. When I said the pouch was a reproduction I meant just that. Many of this type pouch were produced for the "after market" perhaps in the '60s or '70s or perhaps as part of one of the commercial contracts during the '30s.. Army LP08 pouches all have the leaf shaped keeper strap and all have a belt loop or two. All German military pouches are also maker marked. Only navy pouches and Portugese pouches have the strap loop on the back but they also always have the leaf shaped keeper strap.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-17-2007, 10:56 AM

George is absolutely correct here. This double mag pouch is not a German Military, not WW1 period and not for a German Artillery rig. Jerry Burney

nickn · 10-17-2007, 10:57 AM

george this is not a 60`s or 70`s reproduction
i have been collecting leather work of all kinds for 30+ years i know my leather

nickn · 10-17-2007, 10:58 AM

hello jerry
that is not what you said when i sent you the photos!

George Anderson · 10-17-2007, 11:05 AM

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nickn · 10-17-2007, 11:15 AM

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10-13-2007, 11:47 PM	#1
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Luger Artillery Holster On Ebay I was about to put a bid on this artillery holster rig but the bidding go outta sight before I got in. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ksid=p3907.m29 What recession? There's still people with lotso mola out there. Personally, I thought that the magazine pouch was thrown in. A little miscoloring on some parts. But it had the hard to find stock cup. Oh well , I'm glad that I have the artillery holsters that I have. I almost skipped the last Ohio Gun Collectors Assn (OGCA) meeting last month so that could set myself up for some grouse hunting. But I went and I picked up some fine artillery holster leather. Right place, right time. Big Norm

10-15-2007, 09:07 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Previous discussion for a holster from the same seller; http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=17802 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=220144013149 These two holsters caused a big stir on Jan Still's board, enough that he deleted the thread & comments, as both seller and buyer are members of both of these forums. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-15-2007, 06:45 PM	#6
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	IMHO I think it is suspicious that the person who paid this much money for that holster also has only one previous transaction on eBay. It is also strange that one transaction is kept "private" supposedly to protect the privacy of the bidder. At this point you have no way of knowing if that was even a legitimate bid. Anyone who will have only one previous sucessful bid to their credit on all of eBay, and then jump in with that kind of a bid is very suspect. Mauser720 - Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

10-15-2007, 07:37 PM	#7
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	It is a difficult situation. At any given time and place such can happen. I have lost a couple of thiings in similar situations, and later found out that the person I lost to was respectable and the instances were happenchance. But if a pattern is created, then it is an animal of a different color. It would be like a seller I know who has too many mint weapons, some with rare markings. It is a case of too many too often. . __________________ charlie

10-17-2007, 10:56 AM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	George is absolutely correct here. This double mag pouch is not a German Military, not WW1 period and not for a German Artillery rig. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-15-2007, 02:11 AM	#2
rayman1 User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Almost $4,500! Pretty insane. What good would it be to have such an expensive item to not enjoy putting a pistol in and taking it out to shoot with it. I think I'd have to put that rig behind glass and wipe the dust off with a diaper even if the mag pouch didn't really match. But it's truly a nice rig!

10-15-2007, 09:02 AM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	That's an extraordinary price for a very ordinary outfit. The cleaning rod is the best part of the set and the pouch is a repro.

10-15-2007, 11:33 AM	#5
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Sorry Ed, I don't mean to be contentious about this article. I was seriously considering puting in a bid before the price got out of my limited mental range. I felt that finding an original stock cup and all straps overcame the fact that an original 1917 artillery holster is pretty easily found, if you search hard enough. I won't go into the magazine pouch other than to say that the color doesn't match because I am not that smart. Navy holsters are another one of those thingies that I rarely comment on because of my 'Mad Cow' disease. As hard as I try, I'm just not a Jerry Burney. But $4400 for something that I couldn't physically examine...thats a lot. Big Norm

10-16-2007, 04:38 AM	#8
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Lets not be too suspicious. Maybe the buyer has a one nice artillery and wanted to make it into a full rig. This was a good opportunity. I know that if I would see a stock or a magazine that matched one of my artilleries or navies, I would go kinda nuts in my bidding, and thats coming from someone who is nuts on a normal basis anyway. But its diffficult to keep tract of pricing on Lugers and accessories. Prices are jumping all over the place. And some accessories are difficult to find for anybody. I would like to make a comment about the seller here since my previous comments might be construed as sort of negative. I had trouble seeing EACH of the pictures of this rig because EACH picture was about 50% deleted (or greyed out) either by Ebay or my server. I emailed the seller and he emailed a total set of good pictures of this rig. A class act from a total gentleman. If he is reading this post, I would just like to thank him. Big Norm

10-16-2007, 06:04 AM	#9
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i am the seller of both rigs what is suspicoius about a 1 rated bidder we all were at one time! the buyer of the second rig has just bought an artillery and did not want to wait around to find a "bargain" rig which i can understand having done the same with ss daggers a few years back there was nothing untoward going on in both auctions you must all have read dows posts and mine there was a slight misunderstanding but dow and myself sorted this small matter out to both our satisfaction as for the price i have sold a rig for more ,in real terms, a few years back when the dollar was stronger in Ã?Â£ i think after conversion it sold for Ã?Â£3200 which today is nearly $6500! .i only have a few complete rigs and a couple of spare stocks left inc a truely mint 1914 dated example .with 3 matchimg mag poutches, which i expect would fetch far more then $4500 nick i am using a new name as a bought a new computer and could not remember which email address or pass word i used so it was easier to register again

10-16-2007, 07:42 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	old name "nnoonan"

10-16-2007, 04:32 PM	#11
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	george with respect the pouch is not a repro

10-17-2007, 09:29 AM	#13
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	no it is not maker marked when i bought it i sent photos to jerry to get a price on restitching he said it was a commercial piece and i agree would you like some detailed photos?

10-17-2007, 10:30 AM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Nick, thanks for the offer but not necessary. When I said the pouch was a reproduction I meant just that. Many of this type pouch were produced for the "after market" perhaps in the '60s or '70s or perhaps as part of one of the commercial contracts during the '30s.. Army LP08 pouches all have the leaf shaped keeper strap and all have a belt loop or two. All German military pouches are also maker marked. Only navy pouches and Portugese pouches have the strap loop on the back but they also always have the leaf shaped keeper strap.

10-17-2007, 10:57 AM	#16
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	george this is not a 60`s or 70`s reproduction i have been collecting leather work of all kinds for 30+ years i know my leather

10-17-2007, 10:58 AM	#17
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hello jerry that is not what you said when i sent you the photos!

10-17-2007, 11:05 AM	#18
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	..

10-17-2007, 11:15 AM	#19
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	pouch 1 Attached Thumbnails

10-17-2007, 11:15 AM	#20
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	2 Attached Thumbnails