Luger Artillery Holster On Ebay - Page 2

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nickn · 10-17-2007, 11:26 AM

all the fakes copies or repros of these pouch ,and luger holsters, i have seen used modern chromium salt tanned leather this pouch is oak tanned once you compare the two smells it is very easy to distingish between them also the fakes ,copies or repros use a thiner leather

lugerholsterrepair · 10-17-2007, 01:53 PM

when i bought it i sent photos to jerry to get a price on restitching
he said it was a commercial piece and i agree

hello jerry
that is not what you said when i sent you the photos!

Nick, Please do not put words into my mouth. It's not sanitary.

Regardless of what you think I said...It is what it is. If, as you say you have collected for 30+ years and you know your leather, you know exactly what this double magazine pouch is.

It is foreign made, Turkish perhaps, Pakistani perhaps. The same design is currently made as a reproduction today.

It is NOT proper for the Artillery rig you sold. It is NOT of the same era, it is NOT a belt carry type and is NOT German made.

This takes nothing away from your fine Artillery rig. It's just a double mag pouch made in another country at another time.

Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 10-17-2007, 03:24 PM

Just an observation from somebody that knows very little about the subject, but the mag pouch pics show a probably machine made lock-stitch rather than a regular sattler hand-stitch. Yes-No?

lugerholsterrepair · 10-17-2007, 04:26 PM

Ron, Yes, I noticed this as well. The regular stitching found on German WW1 double mag pouches is machine stitched. Parts of this piece show regular machine stitching..parts are either an overstitch or the type of stitch found at the top of sugar sacks or paper feed bags. These enable you to pull it out by grabbing the end of a string.
The thread in this appears to be linen which would be correct for a 1945 and earlier construction.
It's my opinion that this was made earlier than 1945. When and by whom is open to debate. Certainly not by the Germans.
Jerry Burney

cirelaw · 10-18-2007, 11:46 AM

I obtained a genuine test luger holster displayed on Marios Artillerie site for less than he asking, and mines legit, Gerry can attest to that!

Pete Ebbink · 10-18-2007, 11:58 AM

Guys,

Might Nick's double pouch be a Persian...???

Seems similar to a pouch FGS is showing for sale with one of their guns :

http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/images/art9777.jpg

nickn · 10-18-2007, 12:41 PM

cirelaw
i didnt ask it sold at auction what would you sell your rig for? if you put it on ebay and it went for $4500 would you refuse to sell it as you thought the price was too high ? i don't think so
i bought my as new 1914 dated rig from a museum for under $200 there are buys out there.
pete
i think you are right persian when was the persian contract ?

nickn · 10-18-2007, 12:44 PM

i might be getting a bit touchy but cirelaw " mines legit" so is my rig i only added the pouch as a sweetener i dont think it added to the end price

LU1900 · 10-18-2007, 01:05 PM

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nickn · 10-18-2007, 01:38 PM

thanks patrice
i am happy the buyer will be happy thats the end of it
until i sell the next one!

Pete Ebbink · 10-18-2007, 04:18 PM

Hi Nick...

Off the top of my head...I think the mid 1930's for the Persian contracts...not sure if the leather shipped with the Mauser guns or if the leather was purchased separately in Iran...

nickn · 10-18-2007, 04:53 PM

i have a persian rig and leather is all but the same in weight colour and smell as the pouch i wish i had not sold it!

Edward Tinker · 10-18-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by nickn
i might be getting a bit touchy but cirelaw " mines legit" so is my rig i only added the pouch as a sweetener i dont think it added to the end price

Nick, Eric had a stroke several years ago, he will repeat himself and post more than once, plus has to type one finger at a time. he does pretty good considering. He tries hard, so no reason to take offense at what he says.

Ed

Pete Ebbink · 10-18-2007, 11:21 PM

Nick,

Here is another Persian rig Dr. Paul Regnier has for sale in CH...with a double pouch...

http://www.luger-genesis.com/images2/hd/IMG_2681.JPG

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nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	all the fakes copies or repros of these pouch ,and luger holsters, i have seen used modern chromium salt tanned leather this pouch is oak tanned once you compare the two smells it is very easy to distingish between them also the fakes ,copies or repros use a thiner leather

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	when i bought it i sent photos to jerry to get a price on restitching he said it was a commercial piece and i agree hello jerry that is not what you said when i sent you the photos! Nick, Please do not put words into my mouth. It's not sanitary. Regardless of what you think I said...It is what it is. If, as you say you have collected for 30+ years and you know your leather, you know exactly what this double magazine pouch is. It is foreign made, Turkish perhaps, Pakistani perhaps. The same design is currently made as a reproduction today. It is NOT proper for the Artillery rig you sold. It is NOT of the same era, it is NOT a belt carry type and is NOT German made. This takes nothing away from your fine Artillery rig. It's just a double mag pouch made in another country at another time. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Just an observation from somebody that knows very little about the subject, but the mag pouch pics show a probably machine made lock-stitch rather than a regular sattler hand-stitch. Yes-No? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Ron, Yes, I noticed this as well. The regular stitching found on German WW1 double mag pouches is machine stitched. Parts of this piece show regular machine stitching..parts are either an overstitch or the type of stitch found at the top of sugar sacks or paper feed bags. These enable you to pull it out by grabbing the end of a string. The thread in this appears to be linen which would be correct for a 1945 and earlier construction. It's my opinion that this was made earlier than 1945. When and by whom is open to debate. Certainly not by the Germans. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I obtained a genuine test luger holster displayed on Marios Artillerie site for less than he asking, and mines legit, Gerry can attest to that!

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Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Guys, Might Nick's double pouch be a Persian...??? Seems similar to a pouch FGS is showing for sale with one of their guns : http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/images/art9777.jpg

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nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	cirelaw i didnt ask it sold at auction what would you sell your rig for? if you put it on ebay and it went for $4500 would you refuse to sell it as you thought the price was too high ? i don't think so i bought my as new 1914 dated rig from a museum for under $200 there are buys out there. pete i think you are right persian when was the persian contract ?

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nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i might be getting a bit touchy but cirelaw " mines legit" so is my rig i only added the pouch as a sweetener i dont think it added to the end price

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nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks patrice i am happy the buyer will be happy thats the end of it until i sell the next one!

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Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Nick... Off the top of my head...I think the mid 1930's for the Persian contracts...not sure if the leather shipped with the Mauser guns or if the leather was purchased separately in Iran...

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nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i have a persian rig and leather is all but the same in weight colour and smell as the pouch i wish i had not sold it!

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Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Nick, Here is another Persian rig Dr. Paul Regnier has for sale in CH...with a double pouch... http://www.luger-genesis.com/images2/hd/IMG_2681.JPG