Luger Stock

[Maestro]

what are your thoughts regarding this one? repro? or legit?

[Ron Wood]

Repro.

[John Sabato]

Yep. Repro. I agree.

[DavidJayUden]

OK, Oh Magnanimous Ones: Why?
I agree, based on the ill fitting metal-wood, slightly domed screws, wood looking too nice and angular, and no visible marks and numbers. IF there was a number I might think that it is old metal on a repop. stock.
Now what do you base your opinions on?
(I'm not trying to put you on the spot, just wanting a free education...)
dju

[Ron Wood]

Geez David, you tick off the things that are wrong and you ask us why it is a repro! Short of it being stamped "Reproduction" what more do you want? There isn't anything right or original about it.

[John Sabato]

The polyurethane finish doesn't look original either. The inletting on the stock iron looks like it was done with a boyscout knife and an angle grinder.

[Bill_in_VA]

I've got no dog in this fight, but as a collector (neophyte or experienced veteran), I've got to side with David on this one. I find comments like "it's no good", "it's a repro", "save your money", etc... to be less than helpful because they don't teach anything or help the new collector learn.
Just my humble opinion

[DavidJayUden]

Ron:
Now that you mention it, I would like to see; "REPRODUCTION", or "BOOSTED" stamped on suspect parts...
Thanks for your patience.
dju

[John Sabato]

Here you go David! Best I could do on short notice!



Seriously now... all the "defects" or tell-tale signs were listed in this thread (by YOU). It just takes a good memory (which mine is starting to fail), and a good eye that has seen many specimens, plays no small part in the identification of reproduction parts... I have been in this game for about FIFTY years... I wish transfer of acquired skills was as easy as unplugging a flash drive from one who knows and plugging it into one who doesn't (yet), but it just isn't that easy. You are already on the right track to acquiring this skill.

[George Anderson]

In addition to all the obvious defects noted above, the stock itself is not European walnut. ALL artillery and Navy stocks were made of European walnut.

[John Sabato]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_VA

I've got no dog in this fight, but as a collector (neophyte or experienced veteran), I've got to side with David on this one. I find comments like "it's no good", "it's a repro", "save your money", etc... to be less than helpful because they don't teach anything or help the new collector learn.
Just my humble opinion

Hi Bill, I agree with you in principle, but the original question was:

"what are your thoughts regarding this one? repro? or legit?"

...IMHO, I think the question was completely answered by Ron and myself... perhaps with some tongue in cheek...

If you ask detailed questions, I am sure you will receive detailed answers. At least I always try to be thorough in my answers, and I know Ron does too..

[lugerholsterrepair]

Feed me Seymore, FEED me! Rather than a spoon feeding..look at an original stock for comparison. All of the defects, wood types etc. will become clear and you will have a reference in your mind. MUCH better than any typed out description.

[DavidJayUden]

"Feed me Seymore, FEED me! Rather than a spoon feeding..look at an original stock for comparison. All of the defects, wood types etc. will become clear and you will have a reference in your mind. MUCH better than any typed out description. "

Jerry:
I agree in principle, however at this moment I do not have an original stock within reach for comparison purposes.
Sorry.
dju

[John Sabato]

I can offer this advise on this particular stock, if you can get it at a discounted price for the workmanship.

If all you are looking for is functionality, ...and not authenticity, the errors in inletting this particular stock appear to be that the holes for the mounting screws were drilled too close to the end of the stock. The stock holes could be filled with Brownell's Acraglass bedding material and then re-drilled in the proper location to remove the unsightly gaps around the stock iron. The width of the inletting appears to be good, only the hole locations appear to be in the wrong location.

It will never be perfect, but it will still meet the ATF description of an Artillery stock and look CLOSER to what an original stock should look like.

Inletting quality control as seen on this stock would never have passed German military acceptance standards... or even commercial standards for that matter. Peasant middle eastern manufacturing standards maybe...

[cirelaw]

Do all legit Artillery stocks fit all Artillery lugers? ~~Eric

[Norme]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Do all legit Artillery stocks fit all Artillery lugers? ~~Eric

No. That's why they're numbered.
Regards, Norm

[DavidJayUden]

Eric:
Yes. To the best of my knowledge, there is no variation in attachments, however very minor fitting may be necessary between different weapons. But I do not think so.
dju

[John Sabato]

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

...there is no variation in attachments, however very minor fitting may be necessary between different weapons.
dju

Absolutely correct David. Each Artillery model was individually fitted to the matching stock.

Eric, a stock from a different gun may be too loose or too tight to be useable without hand fitting.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_VA

I've got no dog in this fight, but as a collector (neophyte or experienced veteran), I've got to side with David on this one. I find comments like "it's no good", "it's a repro", "save your money", etc... to be less than helpful because they don't teach anything or help the new collector learn.
Just my humble opinion

Here's a couple things I picked up researching!!

In the German military Lugers, only the 6" Navy and 8" Artillery were ever issued with a shoulder stock.
On the Navy and Artillery the stock was never used alone. It was attached to the holster, and the holster and stock were used together. The rig was carried slung over the shoulder by straps rather than being in a holster fastened to the belt. Artillery and Navy Lugers can have detachable stocks. Standard P08s even though they have a lug, can not.

Good source is in "Luger Holster and Accessories of the 20th Century" by Eugene J. Bender on page 225. The dimension of the stock are for the most part clear, although they are in metric.

Either a real or repro stock is only legal on a Luger which was originally issued with a stock. The C&R list has a section that list acceptable pistol and stocks sets and it states that the stock must be original issue stocks not reproductions or replicas . A repro stock on a Luger, even if it's an exact duplicate, has to first pass the proper paperwork and registration of the stock and pistol as a Short Barrel Rifle with the BATFE and may have to pay the $200 tax stamp fee. According to ATF list of curios and relics (pub. 5300.11, part III), the lugers and stocks that are exempt or excluded from the NFA restrictions are very specific, and don't cover all pre-war and wartime artillery lugers and stocks.

[cirelaw]

Nice work, simple and concise!!