East German loading tool

jussi16 · 03-28-2008, 01:56 AM

Hello!

I`ve been buying East German magazines and grips and other stuff for a shooter. Especially the mags are very good.

Some time ago I bought a tool from Germany and I was told that it is DDR production. It is in vg condition and the "front side" is checkered. That is supposed to make it East German.
I haven`t seen a tool like this anywhere before. Are these rare or have I just been blind while hunting down the parts?

jussi

Vlim · 03-28-2008, 06:08 AM

Hi,

The East German loading tools have a number of grooves running over the bottom of the lip.

John Sabato · 03-28-2008, 09:10 AM

Please post a photo of this 'checkering' you mention. Thanks.

Vlim · 03-28-2008, 09:25 AM

Not the best quality scans, but they ought to do the trick:

This is a typical East-German configuration (ignore the stamp, have no clue what it is or who put it there. Looks imperial but that's quite improper for a post-1945 tool)

Lugerdoc · 03-29-2008, 06:25 AM

Jussi, At one time Sarco was selling DDR loading tool here in the USA for around $20 each, but they are now sold out, so these are becoming more difficult to find. No too much demand from collectors, but like the mags, they work well. TH

WG dog · 03-29-2008, 12:55 PM

I'm waiting for an order from Sarco to arrive. Keep missing Lugerdoc's good deals on magazines, so I ordered a "Rare Code 2/1001" milled body magazine. Also ordered an "ORIGINAL FINNISH "SA" MARKED LUGER TAKE DOWN" tool.

Lugerdoc · 03-30-2008, 07:32 AM

WGD, Sorry but I've been sold out of the DDR made extruded mags for some time. I question the authenticity of Sarco's "SA" marked loading tools. You may want to post a photo of your, to get some feed back from our Scandinavian membership. TH

jussi16 · 03-30-2008, 12:36 PM

Thank you all!

I`ll try to get a picture of the tool for you soon.
If someone is looking for those 2/1001 mags, check this place:

http://www.egun.de/market/index.php

I have made some good deals there.

jussi

jussi16 · 04-01-2008, 01:50 AM

Trying to add a picture here...

No luck! The pic size is ok, but I don`t know how to attach it.

Can you give me advice?

jussi

jussi16 · 04-01-2008, 04:33 AM

Well, finally!

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/east1.jpg

Vlim · 04-01-2008, 05:56 AM

Made it easier to look at:

You're probably right. The texture on the loading tool has been reported to be associated with East-German production, but the accounts I read mentioned this texture on the back side of the tool, not on the front.

A.Mifsin · 04-01-2008, 07:06 AM

And I thought that mine is an original tool because it has a stamp that looks like an Erfurt inspection mark
Alf

jussi16 · 04-01-2008, 03:13 PM

Alf,
I showed you mine. Now show me yours

jussi

Vlim · 04-01-2008, 03:33 PM

Well, I consider East-German tools to be 'original tools', as they were made by a valid military P08 using nation for functionality.

Just like the postwar Mauser Parabellum loading tools, that came with the guns, these are originals in their own right as well.

WG dog · 04-01-2008, 03:33 PM

My Sarco order arrived. The magazine seems very well made and heavy. Marked 2/1001 on the side, aluminum base marked 6849 with a 2 above. Should be a serviceable magazine until I can find a more correct magazine for my 41 byf.

The tool looks like it was made last week.

Don't have a digital camera so no pic. I have to find a magnifying glass. Looks like there is a faint SA in a box, and to the right of the SA there's a mark that looks like a large 7, with maybe some faint mark under the part of the 7 at the top going to the left.

A.Mifsin · 04-02-2008, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jussi16
Alf,
I showed you mine. Now show me yours

jussi

Here it is, I hope it is clear enough.
Alf

lugerholsterrepair · 04-02-2008, 02:30 AM

Gentlemen, This loading tool was made at the Veb Ernst Thalmann Werk, at the Sauer/Haenel plant-1957/58. I suspect the marking you indicate might be an Erfurt is spurious. As Gerben says..it does not belong there on a post war tool.
Page 292 of Eugene Benders Luger Holsters & Accessories.
This is what reference books are for....

Jerry Burney

A.Mifsin · 04-02-2008, 02:50 AM

Thanks Jerry. At least now I know what I have and a bit more wiser

Alf

Lugerdoc · 04-07-2008, 10:10 AM

Alf, Difficult to tell from your photo, but the mark on your tool could be a DDR Crown/N, but why they would put a proof mark on a tool, is beyond me. TH

G.T. · 04-07-2008, 10:35 AM

Hi Gerben and all, the texture on either the front or back is just a matter of random parts getting flipped over prior to the next operation... this is also true of pre 45 made tools as well, I think there was a conscious effort to have the radiused side up when the tool was formed, but occasionally they came through up-side down, and I'm sure after making a few hundred tools, the thrill was gone... Best to all, til....lat'r....GT

03-28-2008, 01:56 AM	#1
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 51 Times in 31 Posts	East German loading tool Hello! I`ve been buying East German magazines and grips and other stuff for a shooter. Especially the mags are very good. Some time ago I bought a tool from Germany and I was told that it is DDR production. It is in vg condition and the "front side" is checkered. That is supposed to make it East German. I haven`t seen a tool like this anywhere before. Are these rare or have I just been blind while hunting down the parts? jussi

03-28-2008, 09:10 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Please post a photo of this 'checkering' you mention. Thanks. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-29-2008, 06:25 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Jussi, At one time Sarco was selling DDR loading tool here in the USA for around $20 each, but they are now sold out, so these are becoming more difficult to find. No too much demand from collectors, but like the mags, they work well. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-30-2008, 07:32 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	WGD, Sorry but I've been sold out of the DDR made extruded mags for some time. I question the authenticity of Sarco's "SA" marked loading tools. You may want to post a photo of your, to get some feed back from our Scandinavian membership. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-01-2008, 07:06 AM	#12
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	And I thought that mine is an original tool because it has a stamp that looks like an Erfurt inspection mark Alf __________________ I prefer a Luger

03-28-2008, 06:08 AM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi, The East German loading tools have a number of grooves running over the bottom of the lip.

03-28-2008, 09:25 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Not the best quality scans, but they ought to do the trick: This is a typical East-German configuration (ignore the stamp, have no clue what it is or who put it there. Looks imperial but that's quite improper for a post-1945 tool)

03-29-2008, 12:55 PM	#6
WG dog Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 142 Thanks: 1,282 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts	I'm waiting for an order from Sarco to arrive. Keep missing Lugerdoc's good deals on magazines, so I ordered a "Rare Code 2/1001" milled body magazine. Also ordered an "ORIGINAL FINNISH "SA" MARKED LUGER TAKE DOWN" tool.

03-30-2008, 12:36 PM	#8
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 51 Times in 31 Posts	Thank you all! I`ll try to get a picture of the tool for you soon. If someone is looking for those 2/1001 mags, check this place: http://www.egun.de/market/index.php I have made some good deals there. jussi

04-01-2008, 01:50 AM	#9
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 51 Times in 31 Posts	Trying to add a picture here... No luck! The pic size is ok, but I don`t know how to attach it. Can you give me advice? jussi

04-01-2008, 04:33 AM	#10
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 51 Times in 31 Posts	Well, finally! http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/east1.jpg

04-01-2008, 05:56 AM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Made it easier to look at: You're probably right. The texture on the loading tool has been reported to be associated with East-German production, but the accounts I read mentioned this texture on the back side of the tool, not on the front.

04-01-2008, 03:13 PM	#13
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 51 Times in 31 Posts	Alf, I showed you mine. Now show me yours jussi

04-01-2008, 03:33 PM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Well, I consider East-German tools to be 'original tools', as they were made by a valid military P08 using nation for functionality. Just like the postwar Mauser Parabellum loading tools, that came with the guns, these are originals in their own right as well.

04-02-2008, 02:30 AM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Gentlemen, This loading tool was made at the Veb Ernst Thalmann Werk, at the Sauer/Haenel plant-1957/58. I suspect the marking you indicate might be an Erfurt is spurious. As Gerben says..it does not belong there on a post war tool. Page 292 of Eugene Benders Luger Holsters & Accessories. This is what reference books are for.... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-02-2008, 02:50 AM	#18
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Thanks Jerry. At least now I know what I have and a bit more wiser Alf __________________ I prefer a Luger

04-07-2008, 10:10 AM	#19
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Alf, Difficult to tell from your photo, but the mark on your tool could be a DDR Crown/N, but why they would put a proof mark on a tool, is beyond me. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-07-2008, 10:35 AM	#20
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,485 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,581 Times in 989 Posts	Texture Hi Gerben and all, the texture on either the front or back is just a matter of random parts getting flipped over prior to the next operation... this is also true of pre 45 made tools as well, I think there was a conscious effort to have the radiused side up when the tool was formed, but occasionally they came through up-side down, and I'm sure after making a few hundred tools, the thrill was gone... Best to all, til....lat'r....GT