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Unread 02-10-2022, 12:37 PM   #1
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Default GERMANY halo survey

A few years ago Pete Ebbink explored the occurrences of halo surrounding the front-frame GERMANY stamp on U.S. import commercial Lugers. Regrettably, this resource is no longer available to us.


I have begun to resurrect this study in a survey to determine if there are patterns in these occurrences, if there are correspondences with occurrences of American Eagle stamps with halo, and if this can reveal anything about import practices of Luger pistols.


I would appreciate if any of you who have Lugers of any variation with the GERMANY front-frame export stamp would report your information here:


Serial number
GERMANY haloed or no
American Eagle haloed or no
Absence of AE, i.e., a standard commercial model
Proof stamp, if present


If you prefer not to present your information publicly, please email me dwightg600@gmail.com.


You all have been a great deal of assistance in the past, and I thank everyone in advance for this information.


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Serial number: DWM Alphabet Commercial 7053m
GERMANY haloed
Standard commercial model
Proof stamp: Crown/N
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1900 American Eagle
Ser. # 10848
"Germany" Halo-Yes
"American Eagle" Halo-No
Proofs-none

1906 American Eagle (9mm)
Ser. # 38198
"Germany" Halo-No
"American Eagle" Halo-No
Proofs-None
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Standard DWM 1920 Commercial. .30 caliber, 3 and 13/16ths barrel
Serial: 80395
Germany Halo: Yes
American Eagle Halo: N/A
Proofs: Upright C/N. Also has a halo
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Default Germany halo survey

Hi Dwight
I sent this to you by email but here it is again. Bill
!. Serial number 36225
2.Germany halo No
3. AE halo No
$ AE present
5. No proofs
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1900 AE
1. Serial number 15258
2.Germany halo: Yes
3.AE halo: no
4.AE present
5. No proofs

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Dwight, here is the halo on the Germany stamp on my 3992 l with a vertical Crown N
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Serial number: 13246
GERMANY haloed or no: yes
American Eagle haloed or no: possibly
Absence of AE, i.e., a standard commercial model: ???
Proof stamp, if present: no

Pics attached. Additional info: flat-top breechblock; scalloped toggles; toggle lock; full-width grip safety; full-width trigger guard; 7.65mm x 120mm bbl; no proofs or acceptance stamps; serials + germany only markings; no stock lug; no 'gesichert' under safety lever.

I can not tell if the eagle has a halo; it may only be the slightly-rounded edges of the roll-stamping reflecting the light. Halo on germany is better viewed under less magnification.

Appears to be standard export model. IIRC, I looked in someone's database some years ago and decided it may be of 1902 manufacture...Bought from/with help of, Floyd at Simpsons...

Edit: The more I look at the eagle, the more I think it is haloed...
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06 AE
SN 66670
GERMANY halo - no
AE halo - no
lazy c/N proof

06 AE
SN 29248
GERMANY halo - no
AE halo - no
BUG proofs
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Is this really c/BUG proofed? It is in the lazy c/N range, and listed as such in the Commercial Database.


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Is this really c/BUG proofed? It is in the lazy c/N range, and listed as such in the Commercial Database.


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Mea culpa, Dwight. My other Commercial Luger is a M1900, and I apparently had a "senior moment" and mistakenly transposed its proof info with the #66670 AE's. Corrected now in my post, thanks for the heads-up. (The M1900 has a blank chamber and no GERMANY import mark.)
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06 AE
Serial # 47897
Germany halo-no
AE halo-no
Halo serial #-yes
B.U.G. Marked

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Jim,


.30, or 9mm?


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sorry .30 cal

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No worries, new Database entry.


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Will add more later, here are my 1900 AE's?



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1900AE
Serial 18838
Germany Halo - YES
AE Halo - NO
Serial Halo - NO
Proofs - NO

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1900 ae
89xx
halo on germany stamp, no halo on eagle stamp
no proof
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Default Haloes on Three "Germany" marked American Eagle commercial Lugers

1900 American Eagle #22xx
"GERMANY" under frame serial number. Haloed - yes
American Eagle on chamber. Haloed - no
Proof stamp - a tiny cross on the left side of the barrel

1900 American Eagle #88xx
"GERMANY" under frame serial number. Haloed - yes
American Eagle on chamber. Haloed - no
Proof stamp - none

1906 American Eagle, 9mm, #286xx
"GERMANY" under frame serial number. Haloed - yes
American Eagle on chamber. Haloed - no
Proof stamp: none

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