Pouch inside flap of 1936 holster???

marine kabar · 11-05-2004, 04:38 PM

What sort of tool went in this pouch? This is my first and only P.08 so all this is new to me.

John Sabato · 11-05-2004, 05:38 PM

Here is a typical takedown tool looking at it from the underside... it was the first photo I could locate...

If you do a search in the ACCESSORIES forum for takedown tool, you will likely find other photos from different angles.

This tool is used to remove the grip screws and the hole in the tool was slipped over the magazine follower button so that more leverage could be applied by your thumb to make magazine loading an easier task...

the tool is shown slightly larger than actual size...

marine kabar · 11-05-2004, 06:10 PM

Something else to add to my gun show "want" list. :-)

Fritzer · 11-05-2004, 07:46 PM

Lugerdoc had an assortment to choose from.

It sort of takes away from the "gun show hunt" appeal, but at least you know what you are getting.
As with all accessories for this hobby, things may not be as they appear to the inexperienced.
(like ME !) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Regards,
Fritz.

RockinWR · 11-05-2004, 07:52 PM

Greg,
* Search for a blued takedown tool marked with a down winged eagle/63. The mark will look like the dE/63 marked on the right receiver of your pistol.
* Trust this helps.
Respectfully,
Bob

marine kabar · 11-05-2004, 07:58 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by RockinWR:
Greg,
* Search for a blued takedown tool marked with a down winged eagle/63. The mark will look like the dE/63 marked on the right receiver of your pistol.
* Trust this helps.
Respectfully,
Bob<hr /></blockquote>Bob

Actually, my pistol has the droop wing eagle W /154 ordnance acceptance stamp. I've seen a pic of a take down tool with such a stamp and it was bright colored....possibly nickle plated same as the magazines?

Thanks
Greg

Edward Tinker · 11-05-2004, 09:44 PM

Weellllll, if Bob says to look for a E/63, he is usually right....

Ed

marine kabar · 11-05-2004, 09:59 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Edward Tinker:
Weellllll, if Bob says to look for a E/63, he is usually right....

Ed<hr /></blockquote>Funny you should mention that.

I just got an email from a collector who said the very same thing. Apparently, those are the easiest to find and the most affordable. I've already decided to stick with the droop wing eagle E/63 magazines and forget about a W / 154 one.

Lugerdoc · 11-06-2004, 10:35 AM

Greg, The E/154 proofing is on your G date luger. I do have a nice E/154 tool available @$150. You might want to consider the dwe/63 which would be right for your 1936 holster in the $50 to $75 range depending on condition; or even less expensive, unmarked DWMs @$25 or DDR and other repros (some E/63 marked) @$15 or 2 for $25. TH

Edward Tinker · 11-06-2004, 10:40 AM

I personally have decided not to buy the repros anymore. I did at first, and they bend easily, don't look right etc. I would go with an original every time, pick up a droop 63 and then look around for a e/154....

just my 2 cents....

Ed

marine kabar · 11-06-2004, 11:34 AM

Ed

I feel the same way re repros and agree with your suggestion. The dwe/63 tool is fine for my pistol and holster. I've already settled for a similar vintage magazine. At least it's nickle plated/aluminum based so "looks" totally correct and with the dwe/63 proof is close enough until the day when I find an earlier one at some gunshop, pawn shop, etc for sale cheap. I've learned that lucky breaks like that happens to me when I'm patient. In any event, it's beats the "fxo" plastic base mag I currently have.

Regards
Greg

Pete Ebbink · 11-06-2004, 01:48 PM

http://www.simpsonltd.com/Merchant2/...tegory_Code=LA

RockinWR · 11-07-2004, 03:43 AM

Ed,
* Man, I knew there was a reason you're on my Christmas list!! Keep that up and I'll think you're bucking to get into "The Will". Thanks for your kind vote of confidence.

Greg,
* Had to go back & review your Luger pistol post. Now, given your "b" block G-date, I'd have to agree with you an E/154 marked tool is a more technically accurate choice. Intuitively, at least, it provides a more pleasing closure.
* A review of Frank's G-date Waffenmark mark research may be of interest to you. http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerfo...c;f=2;t=000700
* Since the dE/63 acceptance started about 4 months after your pistol was completed, I'd also not be surprised if some early "G" dates weren't issued with a dE/63 tool at the depot. Given your '36 dated holster, a dE/63 fitting a G-date, and the more frequent appearance of the dE/63 tool, I opted to recommend a dE/63 tool search to you for the reasons others have given above.
* Seems Ed's strategy of a dE/63 now and a E/154 when it feels right is a sound approach.
* OBTW: You might want to contact Don H at drh@oz.net. He recently acquired two E/154 marked mags (S/N'd 2642c and 3758c) for his research. These are only about 4k to 5k off your pistol's S/N.
* What is the S/N of the dE/63 marked mag you've found? I have a dE/63 marked 1936 "f" block which could always use a bolt of mag matching enlightenment.

Pete,
* A stick winged eagle/63 marked tool, shown in the Simpson URL, is a little late for Greg's early "b" block G date. More appropriate for mid 1937 to late 1939 marked example, I'd think. Great source, though, for Greg's search.

Respectfully,
Bob

Pete Ebbink · 11-07-2004, 12:27 PM

Hi Bob,

Only posted the Simpson TD tool link when Greg indicated he would "settle" for it rather than the more rare and expensive E/154 one that is proper for his luger. $ 45 for an E/63 tool seems decently priced.

Noticed R. Bessler has one of the E/154 tools for sale on his web site for $ 195.00...but the photo link to the TD tool is mistakenly linked to a magazine photo...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

marine kabar · 11-07-2004, 12:36 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Pete Ebbink:
Hi Bob,

Only posted the Simpson TD tool link when Greg indicated he would "settle" for it rather than the more rare and expensive E/154 one that is proper for his luger. $ 45 for an E/63 tool seems decently priced.

Noticed R. Bessler has one of the E/154 tools for sale on his web site for $ 195.00...but the photo link to the TD tool is mistakenly linked to a magazine photo...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Pete

YES...I did say that and I appreciated the heads up re the $45 e/63 tool. But what I meant to say in that post was I would settle for one proofed dwe/63 and not one with straight wing eagle. I agree, one proofed W/154 would be more correct but quite frankly I can't afford to pay that much for a loading tool, especially to go with a 60% pistol.

Greg

marine kabar · 11-08-2004, 08:49 AM

Thanks to all who replied and helped me with this. I've got one coming from "lugerdoc" and I'm sure it will be exactly what I need.

Greg

Aaron · 11-10-2004, 05:04 PM

A very important use for the Luger tool which was not mentioned is it is used to remove the firing pin.

11-05-2004, 04:38 PM	#1
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pouch inside flap of 1936 holster??? What sort of tool went in this pouch? This is my first and only P.08 so all this is new to me.

11-05-2004, 05:38 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Here is a typical takedown tool looking at it from the underside... it was the first photo I could locate... If you do a search in the ACCESSORIES forum for takedown tool, you will likely find other photos from different angles. This tool is used to remove the grip screws and the hole in the tool was slipped over the magazine follower button so that more leverage could be applied by your thumb to make magazine loading an easier task... the tool is shown slightly larger than actual size... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-05-2004, 07:58 PM	#6
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by RockinWR: <strong>Greg, * Search for a blued takedown tool marked with a down winged eagle/63. The mark will look like the dE/63 marked on the right receiver of your pistol. * Trust this helps. Respectfully, Bob</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Bob Actually, my pistol has the droop wing eagle W /154 ordnance acceptance stamp. I've seen a pic of a take down tool with such a stamp and it was bright colored....possibly nickle plated same as the magazines? Thanks Greg

11-05-2004, 09:44 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Weellllll, if Bob says to look for a E/63, he is usually right.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-05-2004, 09:59 PM	#8
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Edward Tinker: <strong>Weellllll, if Bob says to look for a E/63, he is usually right.... Ed</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Funny you should mention that. I just got an email from a collector who said the very same thing. Apparently, those are the easiest to find and the most affordable. I've already decided to stick with the droop wing eagle E/63 magazines and forget about a W / 154 one.

11-05-2004, 06:10 PM	#3
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Something else to add to my gun show "want" list. :-)

11-05-2004, 07:46 PM	#4
Fritzer User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lugerdoc had an assortment to choose from. It sort of takes away from the "gun show hunt" appeal, but at least you know what you are getting. As with all accessories for this hobby, things may not be as they appear to the inexperienced. (like ME !) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Regards, Fritz.

11-05-2004, 07:52 PM	#5
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Greg, * Search for a blued takedown tool marked with a down winged eagle/63. The mark will look like the dE/63 marked on the right receiver of your pistol. * Trust this helps. Respectfully, Bob

11-06-2004, 10:35 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Greg, The E/154 proofing is on your G date luger. I do have a nice E/154 tool available @$150. You might want to consider the dwe/63 which would be right for your 1936 holster in the $50 to $75 range depending on condition; or even less expensive, unmarked DWMs @$25 or DDR and other repros (some E/63 marked) @$15 or 2 for $25. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-06-2004, 10:40 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	I personally have decided not to buy the repros anymore. I did at first, and they bend easily, don't look right etc. I would go with an original every time, pick up a droop 63 and then look around for a e/154.... just my 2 cents.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-06-2004, 11:34 AM	#11
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed I feel the same way re repros and agree with your suggestion. The dwe/63 tool is fine for my pistol and holster. I've already settled for a similar vintage magazine. At least it's nickle plated/aluminum based so "looks" totally correct and with the dwe/63 proof is close enough until the day when I find an earlier one at some gunshop, pawn shop, etc for sale cheap. I've learned that lucky breaks like that happens to me when I'm patient. In any event, it's beats the "fxo" plastic base mag I currently have. Regards Greg

11-06-2004, 01:48 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	http://www.simpsonltd.com/Merchant2/...tegory_Code=LA

11-07-2004, 03:43 AM	#13
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Ed, * Man, I knew there was a reason you're on my Christmas list!! Keep that up and I'll think you're bucking to get into "The Will". Thanks for your kind vote of confidence. Greg, * Had to go back & review your Luger pistol post. Now, given your "b" block G-date, I'd have to agree with you an E/154 marked tool is a more technically accurate choice. Intuitively, at least, it provides a more pleasing closure. * A review of Frank's G-date Waffenmark mark research may be of interest to you. http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerfo...c;f=2;t=000700 * Since the dE/63 acceptance started about 4 months after your pistol was completed, I'd also not be surprised if some early "G" dates weren't issued with a dE/63 tool at the depot. Given your '36 dated holster, a dE/63 fitting a G-date, and the more frequent appearance of the dE/63 tool, I opted to recommend a dE/63 tool search to you for the reasons others have given above. * Seems Ed's strategy of a dE/63 now and a E/154 when it feels right is a sound approach. * OBTW: You might want to contact Don H at drh@oz.net. He recently acquired two E/154 marked mags (S/N'd 2642c and 3758c) for his research. These are only about 4k to 5k off your pistol's S/N. * What is the S/N of the dE/63 marked mag you've found? I have a dE/63 marked 1936 "f" block which could always use a bolt of mag matching enlightenment. Pete, * A stick winged eagle/63 marked tool, shown in the Simpson URL, is a little late for Greg's early "b" block G date. More appropriate for mid 1937 to late 1939 marked example, I'd think. Great source, though, for Greg's search. Respectfully, Bob

11-07-2004, 12:27 PM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Bob, Only posted the Simpson TD tool link when Greg indicated he would "settle" for it rather than the more rare and expensive E/154 one that is proper for his luger. $ 45 for an E/63 tool seems decently priced. Noticed R. Bessler has one of the E/154 tools for sale on his web site for $ 195.00...but the photo link to the TD tool is mistakenly linked to a magazine photo... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-07-2004, 12:36 PM	#15
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Pete Ebbink: <strong>Hi Bob, Only posted the Simpson TD tool link when Greg indicated he would "settle" for it rather than the more rare and expensive E/154 one that is proper for his luger. $ 45 for an E/63 tool seems decently priced. Noticed R. Bessler has one of the E/154 tools for sale on his web site for $ 195.00...but the photo link to the TD tool is mistakenly linked to a magazine photo... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Pete YES...I did say that and I appreciated the heads up re the $45 e/63 tool. But what I meant to say in that post was I would settle for one proofed dwe/63 and not one with straight wing eagle. I agree, one proofed W/154 would be more correct but quite frankly I can't afford to pay that much for a loading tool, especially to go with a 60% pistol. Greg

11-08-2004, 08:49 AM	#16
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks to all who replied and helped me with this. I've got one coming from "lugerdoc" and I'm sure it will be exactly what I need. Greg

11-10-2004, 05:04 PM	#17
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	A very important use for the Luger tool which was not mentioned is it is used to remove the firing pin.