Virtual ww2 simulation online..

[Wombat]

Well, I just heard about this myself. It's an pure online game, with 1000's of multiplayers reenacting WW2 Europe. Pretty much a RPG game. WW2 simulation with all live players from around the world! 1/2-scale europe map that this is played on (virtual terrain).


The link should explain everything. Yes, you can run around with a Luger in it, shooting other online players


anyways, this will give some of you something else to do online, besides constantly refreshing the "message board" icon here =0



WW2 ONLINE GAME link click here

THIS GAME GIVES ME BAD VIBES.

THAT WAS NO GAME, I KNOW ,

TOO MANY BUDDIES LAY DOWN ON

FLANDERS FIELDS AND NORMANDY

BEACH , WARS 2 , WINNERS 0 ,

LOOSERS NUMBER IN MILLIONS.

WE KNOW !!!!!

MY FATHER A WW-1 VET AND I

A WW-2 VET .

WE LOST TOO MANY FRIENDS !!!

NOT GAMS STUFF !!!!

Viggo G.

[Patrick]

These are my sentiments entirely. If I have to protect my country, I�´ll do it. But it�´s never been a game. Patrick

[John Sabato]

[PHILOSPHY MODE ON]

Sorry Wombat, we share an interest in the same fine firearm but I believe that our ages are not the only difference between our generations.


My love of fine firearms and their unique engineering does not include games. The only simulations of this type that I can find value in, are those that are used to train the defenders of my country so that they can be their best. Only by being well trained do you increase the likelihood that you will not have to fight.


I spent 20 years, 3 months and 16 days in a green suit and muddy boots training, and preparing to defend my country should that be necessary. It was never a game. It never will be.


I believe that games such as this de-sensitize people to violence and diminish the value of human life.


I do not permit such things on my computer anymore than I would pornography. I take every opportunity to impart good moral values and judgement into the generations that follow me so that there will be just a little less chance that wars and street violence will happen.


my $0.02


[PHILOSPHY MODE OFF]


-John Sabato

[Frank]

[Matt]

John,

I understand your point about war and military training not being a game, but where does reenacting fit in? Reenactments with authentic weapons, gear and vehicles could be thought of as a game but I believe it is more of a historical display.

Matt

[John Sabato]

War is. And by spreading that message, it helps to prevent the same history from being repeated.

[EOC Bob]

and ditto here, but we are from another generation, a generation that actually experienced the horrors of war and the pain it inflects on families. Kids now-a-days know little of Vietman, and even less of the World Wars, and good for that, show's the previous generations did their job and did it well.

[Matt]

Guys, I've been thinking about the "war games" controversy all day and would like to throw in another two-cents worth. While I have no interest in playing them, I do not believe they necessarily make one less sensitive to suffering or are immoral. I played "army" constantly as a kid and it did not make me any less sensitive to the realities of war. My neighbor is a Church of Christ minister and occassionaly plays paintball wargames for fun. I am certain that has not lessened his moral standards or understanding of suffering. Keep in mind that the anti-gun movement uses the same arguments against us for being gun enthusiasts, claiming we are morally depraved for being interested in weapons and war.

However, I understand where you all are coming from when you say you do not approve of war games. As a newspaper reporter, I have interviewed veterans and seen them burst into tears when recalling their combat experiences. It's certainly not a game or anything to be glorified.

I can't watch the opening scene of "Saving Private Ryan" without it giving me an emotional jolt.

No, war is not a game. I have read the letters my great-uncle wrote home before he was killed in action during World War II. Reading them made me feel a sense of loss even though he died more than 22 years before I was born.

[Michael E Halbrook]

I'm a Vietnam era vet that did not see combat

(six years as a Navy ET).

I'm also a pilot and warbird fan and (very occasional) flyer.

I've played several of the WWII combat flight simulators

back to the 1990 Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe.

I feel that some of these games can give you at least a

vague clue as to what it was like.

I've also been around "Doom" and "Castle Wolfenstine".

These are not any kind of simulation.

Some of the better WWII ground simulations include things like freezing to death in the snow.

I can fully understand someone that has "been there and

done that" being uninterested in combat simulations.

For some of the rest of us, simulations can give some feel

for the times without dying.

HTH

Mike Halbrook, U.S.S. Lexington, U.S.S. Brunswick, U.S.S. Coral Sea

[Mark M.]

Gruss Gott,Wombat!

I've never been much interested in

video games of any sort.That's just my

personal way.If you find it amusing to

"play" war,I guess I can live with it.

However,I hope that the other contributers to this Forum decline to

follow your advice to occupy their time

with this pursuit rather than "refreshing the message board",as you

put it!I find the message board just

that- REFRESHING!!!!Please keep it up,

everyone!This poor sponge still has a

great deal of absorbing to do!!Thanks

again for all the helpful info you all

have seen fit to send my way.It's much

appreciated!


Tschuss! Mark M.

[Wombat]

Sorry about even mentioning the game here then. Didn't know I was going to be stepping on some toes by talking about it. This was by no means trying to get you all wilded up or upset.


We're all friends on the board here, and have lots of common interests. Regardless of age (as John put it). I can hold my own on gun knowledge, collecting, and interest


The game still had a Luger in it... hehehe :P


---Wombat

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with the bulk of opinion here. I assume that you all object to the game because it finds pleasure from something that has caused so much suffering and trivializes the war. My question is, what's the difference between the video game and the movies that you guys like?


Sure, some films like Saving Private Ryan or Platoon can be seen as meaningful attempts to share the suffering of war with those who have never been there, but films such as the Dirty Dozen or Where Eagles Dare are pure action/adventure movies that use the war setting for pure entertainment value.


If you want to not participate in activities that marginalize the suffering of war that's commendable, but you should be consistant.

[Ted]

I think I agree with you! I feel the bulk of the problem with some people today is a lack of love and guidance not that they play violent games. The games are a release that otherwise might just build up. I think the root problem is not the children as a whole, but the lack of good parents. Ted

[John Sabato]

[PHILOSPHY MODE ON]


Please note that you will not find my endorsement in any of the [OT] threads, on any of the recently discussed movies except "saving private ryan"


This movie shows war for what it truely is. Gruesome reality. It is a graphic illustration to those of my and subsequent generations of what my father, and many other fathers endured to establish and maintain freedom here in the U.S. and elsewhere around the world. A black mark made by such atrocity on a global scale such as a World War must never be forgotten. The shock value of such history should cause all of humanity to think of the consequences of their actions.


Many of the other movies mentioned recently were frequently the fictionalized re-telling of actual historical events that basically serve a similar purpose of educating those who have never had to deal with war on a first person basis. The fact that hollywood used this as a means to make money doesn't undercut the historical relevence of the theme or the facts.


The fantasy games on the other hand, IMHO, serve no honorable or otherwise redeeming purpose other than "entertainment value" (if you choose to call it that). To each his own. This country has a first amendment that is protected by the second.


It just happens not to be mine, nor can I find any positive reason to endorse it for anyone else.


[PHILOSOPHY MODE OFF]


speaking only for myself,


John Sabato

[G.T.]

Hello John, I thought I might pass along an event which occured in the mid 80's, I was working on an AR-15 in our boat shop during my lunch hour...(at least, thats my story and I'm sticking to it!) and a customer looked in and asked me what I was doing, I told him that I was just working on one of my toys...He replied, (exact words) "That ain't no Goddamn toy!!" It was obvious to me that he had experienced some trauma that I could never understand.....I think that if you haven't been there, you cannot hope to understand, and if you have been there, you probably will never be the same! I respect our citizens who have fought and suffered...and I wish not to offend, I see your point...till...later...G.T.