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Unread 08-25-2017, 01:56 PM   #1
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Their catalog number is Z32814. Their photo of the back strap shows a jagged edge just below the safety lever. What do you make of that? Could it be damaged, grinder misuse or a shadow?
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Unread 08-25-2017, 02:27 PM   #2
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I see a little jag in the backstrap left edge just beneath the safety lever. I checked and the Lugers I looked at, DWM and Mauser, both had that. Is that your area of concern?
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My 1916 DWM LP08, 1917 DWM LP08 and my 1941 BYF (Mauser) P08 all have the jag. All three have original grips and all three have a matching wooden protrusion on the left grip that mates with the jag.

I also have a 1917 DWM LP08 shooter with grips that are not original and of questionable maker. The frame has the jag, but the non-original left grip does not have the mating wooden projection.

In the attached photos, 4585a and 4587a (place your cursor on the pictures to see the numbers) show the jag and the wooden protrusion on the left grip fitting around the jag. In 4588a above the fingernail on my middle finger you can see the wood projection with the grip removed. In 4589a above my thumb, you can see the underside of the grip and the shelf that becomes the wooden protrusion when seen from the back edge.

I have no idea what this means, just passing on my observations. This mating design may help keep the left grip stable (mated) with the frame when moving the hand around to access the safety and magazine release.

With the wooden protrusion on the left grip obviously designed to mate with the jag in the frame, I would think that would eliminate the jag being "damaged, grinder misuse or a shadow".

I cannot tell for certain from the Simpsons photos whether or not the pistol listed has the wooden mating protrusion, but it looks like it might. I'm sure you could call and ask.

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Their catalog number is Z32814. Their photo of the back strap shows a jagged edge just below the safety lever. What do you make of that? Could it be damaged, grinder misuse or a shadow?
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The grip looks thicker than normal in the area just below the Safety lever on the left where it fits into the little step on the frame.

It could be a normal variation, a replacement grip or one that has a repair done in that area. Factory DWM grip checkering normally continues around that curve toward the frame, and doesn't leave that unfinished flat wood area. It could just be something that got through quality control, or they could be replacement grips. A check inside would probably be wise.

i just checked my DWM Lugers and this one (1921) has the thickest wood in this area.
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The grip looks thicker than normal in the area just below the Safety lever on the left where it fits into the little step on the frame.

It could be a normal variation, a replacement grip or one that has a repair done in that area. Factory DWM grip checkering normally continues around that curve toward the frame, and doesn't leave that unfinished flat wood area. It could just be something that got through quality control, or they could be replacement grips. A check inside would probably be wise.

i just checked my DWM Lugers and this one (1921) has the thickest wood in this area.
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Remember that these are hand checkered and there will be variations. The last pic doesn't look bad to me other than the petering out of the grooves in an area of the grip scale that is arguably the most difficult to negotiate when doing this work. One could reasonably expect a chink or two in armor of QC, too!
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I see a little jag in the backstrap left edge just beneath the safety lever. I checked and the Lugers I looked at, DWM and Mauser, both had that. Is that your area of concern?
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That jagged edge looks different from the above photos of other back straps.
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It is mostly the angle it is photographed at. Note that the grips, which are made separately and then fitted, align just fine.
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