Interesting markings/EG VOPO Lugers

Thor · 08-29-2002, 01:06 AM

Saw this on two Erfurt frames and an accompanying VOPO Inspector stamp as well. This stamp is on the flat side of the frame and is in a sideways configuration (lazy...lazy.....lazy) Top one seems to be Crown over an Eagle (Constanzo WOL #
287) which is also 1950 East German People Military final proof, second one is crown over U which is similar to Mauser Commercial but I think this one is proof #161 (WOL) and represents 1950 East German Suhl Inpection proof???

Doubs · 08-29-2002, 01:49 AM

Thor, according to the "Standard Directory of Proof Marks", the eagle is a post-1950 Suhl final proof (doesn't mention it being military) and the C/U is a post-1950 Suhl Inspection mark. The book does state that after proof firing, a visual inspection is performed.

Thor · 08-29-2002, 10:32 AM

I assume this is a REWORK marking. I do believe these were Erfurt frames, but I would have to go look again. None of these frames were made in the 50s were they? <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Doubs · 08-29-2002, 05:31 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Thor:
<strong>I assume this is a REWORK marking. I do believe these were Erfurt frames, but I would have to go look again. None of these frames were made in the 50s were they? <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

They're almost certain to be reworks. East German law (again, according to the book I've already quoted) required proofing again if certain things were done to an existing gun. I've read that the East Germans did manufacture Luger frames but I've never seen one. Those I've read about would never be mistaken for a DWM or Erfurt produced gun as the workmanship is said to be very crude and the lanyard loop wasn't installed. I find the stamps on your pistols to be very interesting and of all the E. German reworks I've examined, none have had them. A good find for you, I'd say.

Lonnie Zimmerman · 08-29-2002, 05:43 PM

Doubs; the East Germans did make frames (and whole pistols). Look under post WW11 Lugers and you will find a discussion there.
Lonnie

08-29-2002, 10:32 AM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I assume this is a REWORK marking. I do believe these were Erfurt frames, but I would have to go look again. None of these frames were made in the 50s were they? <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-29-2002, 05:43 PM	#5
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Doubs; the East Germans did make frames (and whole pistols). Look under post WW11 Lugers and you will find a discussion there. Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

08-29-2002, 01:06 AM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Interesting markings/EG VOPO Lugers Saw this on two Erfurt frames and an accompanying VOPO Inspector stamp as well. This stamp is on the flat side of the frame and is in a sideways configuration (lazy...lazy.....lazy) Top one seems to be Crown over an Eagle (Constanzo WOL # 287) which is also 1950 East German People Military final proof, second one is crown over U which is similar to Mauser Commercial but I think this one is proof #161 (WOL) and represents 1950 East German Suhl Inpection proof??? __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-29-2002, 01:49 AM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 770 Thanked 1,614 Times in 525 Posts	Thor, according to the "Standard Directory of Proof Marks", the eagle is a post-1950 Suhl final proof (doesn't mention it being military) and the C/U is a post-1950 Suhl Inspection mark. The book does state that after proof firing, a visual inspection is performed.

08-29-2002, 05:31 PM	#4
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 770 Thanked 1,614 Times in 525 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Thor: <strong>I assume this is a REWORK marking. I do believe these were Erfurt frames, but I would have to go look again. None of these frames were made in the 50s were they? <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote> They're almost certain to be reworks. East German law (again, according to the book I've already quoted) required proofing again if certain things were done to an existing gun. I've read that the East Germans did manufacture Luger frames but I've never seen one. Those I've read about would never be mistaken for a DWM or Erfurt produced gun as the workmanship is said to be very crude and the lanyard loop wasn't installed. I find the stamps on your pistols to be very interesting and of all the E. German reworks I've examined, none have had them. A good find for you, I'd say.