Cartridge Counter Question

stevezz1 · 12-30-2004, 03:10 PM

Hi all,
It has been a long time since my last visit, i hope a good Christmas time was enjoyed by all the members.........

A dealer over here in England has a cartridge counter for sale but the side panel above the counter grip is engraved. (see photo).
I have never seen this before and i looks a bit suspect to me.
I am awaiting more detailed pictures from the seller, and a price........

Has anyone seen one like this?

Many thanks for any help.

All the best,
Steve.

Tomathvl · 12-30-2004, 03:26 PM

Steve,
Is the frame engraved or is it a added engraved plate or tag identifying the piece?
Tom

Vlim · 12-30-2004, 03:26 PM

Hi,

This is one of Mauser's post-war commemoratives. It was brought out by mauser during the 1980s to celebrate the introduction of the 1902 cartridge counter and is basically a model 06/73 version.

It has nothing to do with the original one and should not be sold or promoted as an 'original cartridge counter' version.

It's a nice Mauser commemorative and a pretty rare one. Checkout the post-war section to see more Mauser Parabellum examples from the 1970s-1990s era.

stevezz1 · 12-31-2004, 12:49 PM

Thanks for the help, guys...........
I just found out the price..............Ã?Â£2200.00
I knew it would be expensive, but that is way beyond my reach........

Oh well, dream on............

Steve.

Pete Ebbink · 12-31-2004, 12:52 PM

http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/1902luger.html

It appears this pistol may be a UK-deactivated handgun...

http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/deacpistols.html

stevezz1 · 12-31-2004, 12:59 PM

Hello Pete,
This one is still live at the moment, but the seller says he may have to 'chop' it.............

Seems a shame i know...........but only a very few people are allowed to keep live hand guns over here.........
Very frustrating, to say the least...............
Better not start on that old chestnut again...............

Steve.

Vlim · 01-01-2005, 10:17 AM

Well,

One thing is for sure. The seller's description of this item is WAY off.

It's a nice boxed Mauser Parabellum 06/73 from the mid-1980s and I'd think it shouldn't go above some 1500 EUR. (and that's because the boxes themselves go for 300+ at the moment....).

Ron Smith · 01-02-2005, 10:41 AM

Hi Steve,

What is done to deactivate them? Are they plugged, welded, etc?

Ron

stevezz1 · 01-02-2005, 11:25 AM

Hi Ron,
Deactivation is quite extensive.
The barrel or chamber are pluged and welded.
Sometimes the bore is drilled out aswell.
The 'ramp' between the clip and chamber is ground down - the firing pin and breach block are also ground back, this stops a round being 'picked up'.
Sometimes most of the interlocking rails are ground away.
That's just about all that is done...........

I think Tachfoley (spelling?) posted a very comprehensive series of photo's
showing the different stages of deactivation.
Sorry, but i cannot find it now.

That reminds me, John Sabato asked me to do the same thing for the MP.40.
Well i have a decent camera now, so i can get that done.

All the best,
Steve.

John Sabato · 01-03-2005, 09:10 AM

You can find the Photo essay on UK Deactivation contributed by Tacfoley in the members gallery... the link for this is on the black left menu of our homepage at Lugerforum.com

Pete Ebbink · 01-08-2005, 07:03 PM

This one went on auction on Hermann Historica for a bit over 1800 Euros :

mauro · 01-09-2005, 04:19 AM

Hello Steve,
To see other Mauser Parabellum Commemorative pistols made by Mauser you can have a look at my web site. In fact I have prepared several pages describing these beauties (Mauser Parabellum Gallery). I love very much these models that are becoming more and more interesting for collectors.
Ciao
Mauro

http://lugerlp08.free.fr/

Lugerdoc · 01-10-2005, 11:03 AM

Pete, Nice photo of CC Parabellum commemerative and accessories. I have one of these dummy oiler type Mauser cleaning rods available @$75 and several CC type mags available also. TH

12-30-2004, 03:10 PM	#1
stevezz1 User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: England / South East Posts: 38 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cartridge Counter Question Hi all, It has been a long time since my last visit, i hope a good Christmas time was enjoyed by all the members......... A dealer over here in England has a cartridge counter for sale but the side panel above the counter grip is engraved. (see photo). I have never seen this before and i looks a bit suspect to me. I am awaiting more detailed pictures from the seller, and a price........ Has anyone seen one like this? Many thanks for any help. All the best, Steve. Attached Images

12-31-2004, 12:52 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Link to Gun In Question... http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/1902luger.html It appears this pistol may be a UK-deactivated handgun... http://www.classicfirearms.co.uk/deacpistols.html

01-02-2005, 10:41 AM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Steve, What is done to deactivate them? Are they plugged, welded, etc? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-03-2005, 09:10 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	You can find the Photo essay on UK Deactivation contributed by Tacfoley in the members gallery... the link for this is on the black left menu of our homepage at Lugerforum.com __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-08-2005, 07:03 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Another One... This one went on auction on Hermann Historica for a bit over 1800 Euros :

12-30-2004, 03:26 PM	#2
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Steve, Is the frame engraved or is it a added engraved plate or tag identifying the piece? Tom

12-30-2004, 03:26 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,888 Times in 1,187 Posts	Hi, This is one of Mauser's post-war commemoratives. It was brought out by mauser during the 1980s to celebrate the introduction of the 1902 cartridge counter and is basically a model 06/73 version. It has nothing to do with the original one and should not be sold or promoted as an 'original cartridge counter' version. It's a nice Mauser commemorative and a pretty rare one. Checkout the post-war section to see more Mauser Parabellum examples from the 1970s-1990s era.

12-31-2004, 12:49 PM	#4
stevezz1 User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: England / South East Posts: 38 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the help, guys........... I just found out the price..............Ã?Â£2200.00 I knew it would be expensive, but that is way beyond my reach........ Oh well, dream on............ Steve.

12-31-2004, 12:59 PM	#6
stevezz1 User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: England / South East Posts: 38 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Pete, This one is still live at the moment, but the seller says he may have to 'chop' it............. Seems a shame i know...........but only a very few people are allowed to keep live hand guns over here......... Very frustrating, to say the least............... Better not start on that old chestnut again............... Steve.

01-01-2005, 10:17 AM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,888 Times in 1,187 Posts	Well, One thing is for sure. The seller's description of this item is WAY off. It's a nice boxed Mauser Parabellum 06/73 from the mid-1980s and I'd think it shouldn't go above some 1500 EUR. (and that's because the boxes themselves go for 300+ at the moment....).

01-02-2005, 11:25 AM	#9
stevezz1 User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: England / South East Posts: 38 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Ron, Deactivation is quite extensive. The barrel or chamber are pluged and welded. Sometimes the bore is drilled out aswell. The 'ramp' between the clip and chamber is ground down - the firing pin and breach block are also ground back, this stops a round being 'picked up'. Sometimes most of the interlocking rails are ground away. That's just about all that is done........... I think Tachfoley (spelling?) posted a very comprehensive series of photo's showing the different stages of deactivation. Sorry, but i cannot find it now. That reminds me, John Sabato asked me to do the same thing for the MP.40. Well i have a decent camera now, so i can get that done. All the best, Steve.

01-09-2005, 04:19 AM	#12
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello Steve, To see other Mauser Parabellum Commemorative pistols made by Mauser you can have a look at my web site. In fact I have prepared several pages describing these beauties (Mauser Parabellum Gallery). I love very much these models that are becoming more and more interesting for collectors. Ciao Mauro http://lugerlp08.free.fr/ __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

01-10-2005, 11:03 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Pete, Nice photo of CC Parabellum commemerative and accessories. I have one of these dummy oiler type Mauser cleaning rods available @$75 and several CC type mags available also. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net