$1000,00 Nazi belt?

lugerholsterrepair · 07-13-2003, 06:09 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...&category=2993

Maybe you guys can enlighten me, Am I in the wrong business? What makes this worth a thousand clams? Jerry Burney

Edward Tinker · 07-13-2003, 06:47 PM

Jerry, I am always amazed at why certain items go for big bucks on e-bay, while a like item just sits there...

Ed

Herb · 07-13-2003, 07:34 PM

Guys, I guess I'm missing something, I clicked on the link and the current amount is $9.99, is the link incorrect?

Edward Tinker · 07-13-2003, 08:51 PM

No, i replied then clicked. Probably a mistake on the sellers part, he meant $10.00 and forgot the decimel point, then went back and changed it,

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 07-13-2003, 10:07 PM

Well I guess it was a mistake, I was fixing to start cranking out Nazi belts, almost had the first one done...NUTS! Jerry Burney

ViggoG · 07-13-2003, 10:27 PM

Jerry,
You are killing me !!!
Getting ready to "repro a repro", Ha!, Ha!, Ha!,
did you not read :
"WINGED NAZI LOGO BELT BUCKLE BELT CIRCA 70's" !
He, He, He, He.
ViggoG

lugerholsterrepair · 07-14-2003, 12:24 AM

Viggo, I figure if that thing were going for a thousand bucks I could make a few and become a millionair! Man I was just about to bail out of the Luger holster repair business...But when you start going broke you just can't stop. Well, I'll have to wait for another opportunity...Jerry

G.W. Gill · 07-14-2003, 01:49 AM

Look at The Smoking Gun website and and see (The scariest mugshot ever). I tried to bring the link over. I need to learn how. He's Dummy Enough......Just fell down the stairs...LOL

Edward Tinker · 07-14-2003, 02:05 AM

GW, you just copy and paste it in the reply box, or you can write it, such as www.lugerforum.com (make sure you do not place any period or other letter after the .com, or it will think it is part of the URL / link.

Ed

G.W. Gill · 07-14-2003, 02:45 AM

Thank you Ed. I tried, but had a problem. If you think the links worth posting (for a laugh). I still think this guy fell as he was gently escorted away. I tried to joke, but there really is no humour in this example of human....I will let it go and hit the books.

ViggoG · 07-14-2003, 03:20 AM

G.W. Gill
Find an image that you wish to get a URL to.
1 - Right Click on the image.
2 - A window opens with "Properties" at the bottom, Left click on "Properties".
3 - Another window opens with "Address (URL) in the center.
4 - left click outside of but near the address and drag the pointer over the address (URL) this will highlite the address.
5 - Press [Control] and [c] at the same time.
6 - You now have "Copied) the URL and can (Paste) it in your post by Pressing [Control] and [v] at the same time.
Caution: It is best to place it on its own line, with out adding anything with it.
Message text on the line above and below is acceptable.
7 - If a photo you wish to have it appear in the "Forum Thread", It must be less that 200 K bytes (the size will be found in the Properties Window directly below the URL that you copy.
8 - Paste the URL in your post and go down to (Instant UBB CodeÃ¢?Â¢), Below this at the bottom right you will find a Capsule (IMAGE)
9 - Right click on this (IMAGE) and a window will open with instructions to enter your URL in the Window, do it now.
Then click on OK.
10 - This will alter your url to a form that will open the Picture in your Post.
11 - You may continue to enter text or a new URL or Photo URL.
---- I hope this will be helpful to you and any others that have problems in this area ----
this is copied by this method from the top of the "Post Reply Page",
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerforum/lugerlogo.jpg

This is how easy it works. You can Check it out by trying it in the "Post Reply Page" thats how I did this Tutorial
ViggoG
PS: The same method works in The Private Message Feature here on the Forum.
The URL method works for E-mail on the net.
ViggoG

G.W. Gill · 07-14-2003, 04:21 AM

Hi Viggo, We just spent minutes out of our lives trying to copy this loser (accident victim). You guys are great. My girlfriend tells me to do the same thing. I split the screen and tried to get it over to you all but I could'nt do it. Viggo, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you helping me. All you Luger guy's are great....

MarkC · 07-15-2003, 09:34 PM

Guys,

All kidding aside, I actually collect Belt's and Belt buckles.

The photo is of an SS Officer Brocade belt and buckle with the "SS hologram" stiched on the belt. You can see it on the upper belt but not on the lower, unless you move the belt from side to side. (Of course not really a hollogram as we know it but superb worksmenship) worth about $900.00, if you can find one.

The left belt buckle is a Weimer era volunteer fire department enlisted buckle, the legend translates to "Defend Your Neighbors Honor God".

The other buckle is an enlisted Fire police buckle worn till about 1936 from Rheinland.

Mark

lugerholsterrepair · 07-15-2003, 10:02 PM

Very cool Mark! Now these have some value as historic artifacts... I imagine quite rare too. I have never seen the fire buckle.. I look at them all the time on eBay, Really spectacular SS belt and buckle. Jerry Burney

Edward Tinker · 07-15-2003, 10:13 PM

Nice Mark!

Could you start another thread and include some of your collection? (Include some more Weimar if you can, especially Police!)

Ed

MarkC · 07-15-2003, 10:40 PM

Thanks guy's!

I really like collecting buckles, however the fakes are getting better and have more distribution at the gun shows I've been to recently. Many years ago you could tell a fake buckle by just turning it over and looking at the lock nut attaching the face plate. Now the fakers are taking real WWII buckles, removing a common face plate and attaching the repro of the rare buckle with the correct attachment method ... so be carefull out there. Although I doubt a novice would spend a grand for a belt buckle or brocade without knowing what they are looking at!

However, the repro's of common buckles that sell for $100.00 or under (as originals) are also there

I'll post more photo's when I get a chance to take better pictures, my collection of German buckles is very extensive running from the mid 1800's through WWII. I have many fire police buckles from Hamburg, Berlin, Westfalen, Hessen, Sachsen, Hannover and Braunschweig

Here is a picture of two trade buckles I am very fond of.... and hard to find!

The top buckle is an original night watchman, this buckle is faked very often at gun shows. The second buckle is the chimney sweep trade union

Mark

Ron Wood · 07-16-2003, 09:14 AM

Thank you Mark! I have never seen a trade buckle before or was even aware that such a thing existed. Thank you for the lesson, I will try to be more observant at gun shows in the future. I don't suppose there was a buckle for a carpenter, or "Tischlermeister" (my trade in a much earlier former life)?

MarkC · 07-16-2003, 07:57 PM

Ron,

The Germans had buckles for all the trades in society. The early 30's society was morphed from boy scouts to German Youth to Hitler youth. Here are a few buckles from the 1800's for the trades. The first few are the Mason trade and the others are for a Carpenter.

Many more exist from the Nazi era including Butcher and even civilian band members!

Mark

Ron Wood · 07-16-2003, 08:30 PM

Outstanding! Thanks a ton! I will have to be particularly alert in the future to see if I can locate a carpenter buckle. I am guessing that the bottom two buckles are for coopers because of the barrels. I would imagine that in a country of beer and wine, the coopers were quite a popular trade group.

MarkC · 07-16-2003, 09:29 PM

Ron,

Most of the buckles I have seen at gun shows are "bring backs" from GI's. The old buckles and trade buckles are from dealers in Europe I have been in touch with over the years. A well known author and dealer in Belgium sold me the "old" trade union buckles.

A great book is by John R. Angolia, Belt Buckles & Brocades of the THIRD REICH, published by R. James Bender Publishing... (408) 225-5777. (John has many other books on uniforms, etc.... many of you may be familiar with his work)

John in a private e-mail told me he had to cut the size of the book down because of publishing reasons. It is hard cover and 655 pages... very informative, the chapters on repros and fakes are invaluable!! Many color photos of the brocades.... and he with authograph a copy at no charge!!!

My first interest in belt buckles was with a soft cover book (now out of print) by Thomas Reid and John Mauer entitled "German Belt Buckles 1919-1945" .. revised edition from 1979. (Published by Lancer Militaria in Houston ... and I bought my first few buckles from them) It has drawings of the buckles and is still very current, just wish I had more money in those days.............

Good Hunting!!!

Mark

P.S. Unlike the Lugers, P38's and other guns we love.... there are no import markings on belt buckles nor any restrictions for an import permit or marking!! Just have the shipment insured and tracked also, get ready for the call to customs (where is my shipment?) ... I once had a custom official help me with what was on the import declaration as they did not know what a "tab" was.... so we changed it to a "piece of cowhide leather" attached to the buckle ... the next day I got my buckles .... no BS !!

07-13-2003, 06:09 PM	#1
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	$1000,00 Nazi belt? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...&category=2993 Maybe you guys can enlighten me, Am I in the wrong business? What makes this worth a thousand clams? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-13-2003, 06:47 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Jerry, I am always amazed at why certain items go for big bucks on e-bay, while a like item just sits there... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-13-2003, 07:34 PM	#3
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Guys, I guess I'm missing something, I clicked on the link and the current amount is $9.99, is the link incorrect? __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

07-13-2003, 08:51 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	No, i replied then clicked. Probably a mistake on the sellers part, he meant $10.00 and forgot the decimel point, then went back and changed it, Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-13-2003, 10:07 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Well I guess it was a mistake, I was fixing to start cranking out Nazi belts, almost had the first one done...NUTS! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-13-2003, 10:27 PM	#6
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Jerry, You are killing me !!! Getting ready to "repro a repro", Ha!, Ha!, Ha!, did you not read : "WINGED NAZI LOGO BELT BUCKLE BELT CIRCA 70's" ! He, He, He, He. ViggoG

07-14-2003, 12:24 AM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Viggo, I figure if that thing were going for a thousand bucks I could make a few and become a millionair! Man I was just about to bail out of the Luger holster repair business...But when you start going broke you just can't stop. Well, I'll have to wait for another opportunity...Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-14-2003, 01:49 AM	#8
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Look at The Smoking Gun website and and see (The scariest mugshot ever). I tried to bring the link over. I need to learn how. He's Dummy Enough......Just fell down the stairs...LOL

07-14-2003, 02:05 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	GW, you just copy and paste it in the reply box, or you can write it, such as www.lugerforum.com (make sure you do not place any period or other letter after the .com, or it will think it is part of the URL / link. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-14-2003, 02:45 AM	#10
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Ed. I tried, but had a problem. If you think the links worth posting (for a laugh). I still think this guy fell as he was gently escorted away. I tried to joke, but there really is no humour in this example of human....I will let it go and hit the books.

07-14-2003, 03:20 AM	#11
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	G.W. Gill Find an image that you wish to get a URL to. 1 - Right Click on the image. 2 - A window opens with "Properties" at the bottom, Left click on "Properties". 3 - Another window opens with "Address (URL) in the center. 4 - left click outside of but near the address and drag the pointer over the address (URL) this will highlite the address. 5 - Press [Control] and [c] at the same time. 6 - You now have "Copied) the URL and can (Paste) it in your post by Pressing [Control] and [v] at the same time. Caution: It is best to place it on its own line, with out adding anything with it. Message text on the line above and below is acceptable. 7 - If a photo you wish to have it appear in the "Forum Thread", It must be less that 200 K bytes (the size will be found in the Properties Window directly below the URL that you copy. 8 - Paste the URL in your post and go down to (Instant UBB CodeÃ¢?Â¢), Below this at the bottom right you will find a Capsule (IMAGE) 9 - Right click on this (IMAGE) and a window will open with instructions to enter your URL in the Window, do it now. Then click on OK. 10 - This will alter your url to a form that will open the Picture in your Post. 11 - You may continue to enter text or a new URL or Photo URL. ---- I hope this will be helpful to you and any others that have problems in this area ---- this is copied by this method from the top of the "Post Reply Page", http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerforum/lugerlogo.jpg This is how easy it works. You can Check it out by trying it in the "Post Reply Page" thats how I did this Tutorial ViggoG PS: The same method works in The Private Message Feature here on the Forum. The URL method works for E-mail on the net. ViggoG

07-14-2003, 04:21 AM	#12
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Viggo, We just spent minutes out of our lives trying to copy this loser (accident victim). You guys are great. My girlfriend tells me to do the same thing. I split the screen and tried to get it over to you all but I could'nt do it. Viggo, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you helping me. All you Luger guy's are great....

07-15-2003, 09:34 PM	#13
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Guys, All kidding aside, I actually collect Belt's and Belt buckles. The photo is of an SS Officer Brocade belt and buckle with the "SS hologram" stiched on the belt. You can see it on the upper belt but not on the lower, unless you move the belt from side to side. (Of course not really a hollogram as we know it but superb worksmenship) worth about $900.00, if you can find one. The left belt buckle is a Weimer era volunteer fire department enlisted buckle, the legend translates to "Defend Your Neighbors Honor God". The other buckle is an enlisted Fire police buckle worn till about 1936 from Rheinland. Mark

07-15-2003, 10:02 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Very cool Mark! Now these have some value as historic artifacts... I imagine quite rare too. I have never seen the fire buckle.. I look at them all the time on eBay, Really spectacular SS belt and buckle. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-15-2003, 10:13 PM	#15
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Nice Mark! Could you start another thread and include some of your collection? (Include some more Weimar if you can, especially Police!) Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-15-2003, 10:40 PM	#16
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Thanks guy's! I really like collecting buckles, however the fakes are getting better and have more distribution at the gun shows I've been to recently. Many years ago you could tell a fake buckle by just turning it over and looking at the lock nut attaching the face plate. Now the fakers are taking real WWII buckles, removing a common face plate and attaching the repro of the rare buckle with the correct attachment method ... so be carefull out there. Although I doubt a novice would spend a grand for a belt buckle or brocade without knowing what they are looking at! However, the repro's of common buckles that sell for $100.00 or under (as originals) are also there I'll post more photo's when I get a chance to take better pictures, my collection of German buckles is very extensive running from the mid 1800's through WWII. I have many fire police buckles from Hamburg, Berlin, Westfalen, Hessen, Sachsen, Hannover and Braunschweig Here is a picture of two trade buckles I am very fond of.... and hard to find! The top buckle is an original night watchman, this buckle is faked very often at gun shows. The second buckle is the chimney sweep trade union Mark

07-16-2003, 09:14 AM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Thank you Mark! I have never seen a trade buckle before or was even aware that such a thing existed. Thank you for the lesson, I will try to be more observant at gun shows in the future. I don't suppose there was a buckle for a carpenter, or "Tischlermeister" (my trade in a much earlier former life)? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-16-2003, 07:57 PM	#18
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Ron, The Germans had buckles for all the trades in society. The early 30's society was morphed from boy scouts to German Youth to Hitler youth. Here are a few buckles from the 1800's for the trades. The first few are the Mason trade and the others are for a Carpenter. Many more exist from the Nazi era including Butcher and even civilian band members! Mark

07-16-2003, 08:30 PM	#19
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Outstanding! Thanks a ton! I will have to be particularly alert in the future to see if I can locate a carpenter buckle. I am guessing that the bottom two buckles are for coopers because of the barrels. I would imagine that in a country of beer and wine, the coopers were quite a popular trade group. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-16-2003, 09:29 PM	#20
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Ron, Most of the buckles I have seen at gun shows are "bring backs" from GI's. The old buckles and trade buckles are from dealers in Europe I have been in touch with over the years. A well known author and dealer in Belgium sold me the "old" trade union buckles. A great book is by John R. Angolia, Belt Buckles & Brocades of the THIRD REICH, published by R. James Bender Publishing... (408) 225-5777. (John has many other books on uniforms, etc.... many of you may be familiar with his work) John in a private e-mail told me he had to cut the size of the book down because of publishing reasons. It is hard cover and 655 pages... very informative, the chapters on repros and fakes are invaluable!! Many color photos of the brocades.... and he with authograph a copy at no charge!!! My first interest in belt buckles was with a soft cover book (now out of print) by Thomas Reid and John Mauer entitled "German Belt Buckles 1919-1945" .. revised edition from 1979. (Published by Lancer Militaria in Houston ... and I bought my first few buckles from them) It has drawings of the buckles and is still very current, just wish I had more money in those days............. Good Hunting!!! Mark P.S. Unlike the Lugers, P38's and other guns we love.... there are no import markings on belt buckles nor any restrictions for an import permit or marking!! Just have the shipment insured and tracked also, get ready for the call to customs (where is my shipment?) ... I once had a custom official help me with what was on the import declaration as they did not know what a "tab" was.... so we changed it to a "piece of cowhide leather" attached to the buckle ... the next day I got my buckles .... no BS !!