Vickers LTD Dutch Luger Found with Brass Plate Attached

Thor · 03-23-2012, 10:26 AM

http://www.jacksonarmory.com/JA/hand...hp?mainID=9682

lugerholsterrepair · 03-23-2012, 11:45 AM

Ted, Sweet little pistol! Not a bad price either..Has the course grips. Thanks for showing it!

Ron Wood · 03-23-2012, 12:52 PM

As Dutch guns go, this one is in about average condition or maybe just a tad better. As Jerry said, not a bad price for a Vickers Dutch. It would be interesting to know if the grips are GS marked on the inside. Thanks for posting Ted.

Angus Magnus · 03-25-2012, 11:01 PM

Should the safety and trigger be blued even in an arsenal rework? The ones I can recall seeing had strawed parts.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...a738ed4e40e4bc

Thor · 03-26-2012, 09:35 AM

That is a good question, all the pictures I have seen before this gun indicate strawed parts.

Ron Wood · 03-26-2012, 12:01 PM

I think that the parts are just age darkened. Under different lighting they might look a bit brighter.

Angus Magnus · 03-26-2012, 04:43 PM

Since they were all made in the Pacific, are all the Vickers grips GS marked or just the replacements?

Ron Wood · 03-26-2012, 07:53 PM

Vickers Lugers originally had fine checked grips from the factory. Replacement grips made in Indonesia had the coarser checkering and usually were GS marked.

Angus Magnus · 03-26-2012, 09:23 PM

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...=Vickers+grips

"The Vickers pistols were delivered without grips, so the coarse-checkered, native-wood grips are the norm." -Dwight Gruber

Ron Wood · 03-26-2012, 09:47 PM

Ok. Seems a bit odd for guns to be delivered sans grips. Can't think of a reason for it, but there must be a referance to that fact that has eluded me or I have forgotten in my dotage.

Angus Magnus · 03-26-2012, 10:29 PM

I dont know if thats accurate or not, I know I've seen it said in more than one place but can only find this thread at the moment. The dozen or so Vickers Lugers I have seen in photos seem to have the rough grips, but that does not prove anything. It would make sense that the wood grips be one of the most commonly replaced parts in a humid environment, so it would make sense that it would be rare to find them with finely checkered originals.

I know I saw a listing somewhere for a Vickers in an original presentation case and near perfect finish. I do not recall what the grips looked like, but it might serve as a reference...

tharpo · 03-26-2012, 10:32 PM

I have wondered the same thing about the finish on my #4506 Dutch Vickers. All matching with GS stamped grips and 1939 dated barrel. When these were refinished at the armory were the small parts restrawed or reblued? No straw left on this one.
Tom

Angus Magnus · 03-26-2012, 10:37 PM

Nevermind... I don't believe my own reference....

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...165Vickers.htm

Is this a Vickers or just a Dutch contract DWM?

Vlim · 03-27-2012, 11:04 AM

The pistol on FGS is a Vickers. Not a Dutch contract, but one prepped as a gift/presentation pistol.

I've seen blued safeties on reworked Dutch lugers, triggers are usually strawed with most strawing missing, leaving a blackish spotted surface.

These Dutch guns had a hard life and they should look that way. The pistol on Simpson's website looks way too nice and was probably refinished by some US 'arsenal'

Here is a Vickers that survived Palestine after it survived Dutch East India and WW2.

03-23-2012, 10:26 AM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Vickers LTD Dutch Luger Found with Brass Plate Attached http://www.jacksonarmory.com/JA/hand...hp?mainID=9682 __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

03-23-2012, 11:45 AM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,931 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Ted, Sweet little pistol! Not a bad price either..Has the course grips. Thanks for showing it! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-23-2012, 12:52 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	As Dutch guns go, this one is in about average condition or maybe just a tad better. As Jerry said, not a bad price for a Vickers Dutch. It would be interesting to know if the grips are GS marked on the inside. Thanks for posting Ted. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-26-2012, 09:35 AM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	That is a good question, all the pictures I have seen before this gun indicate strawed parts. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

03-26-2012, 12:01 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	I think that the parts are just age darkened. Under different lighting they might look a bit brighter. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-25-2012, 11:01 PM	#4
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	Should the safety and trigger be blued even in an arsenal rework? The ones I can recall seeing had strawed parts. http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...a738ed4e40e4bc

03-26-2012, 04:43 PM	#7
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	Since they were all made in the Pacific, are all the Vickers grips GS marked or just the replacements?

03-26-2012, 07:53 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Vickers Lugers originally had fine checked grips from the factory. Replacement grips made in Indonesia had the coarser checkering and usually were GS marked. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-26-2012, 09:23 PM	#9
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...=Vickers+grips "The Vickers pistols were delivered without grips, so the coarse-checkered, native-wood grips are the norm." -Dwight Gruber

03-26-2012, 09:47 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Ok. Seems a bit odd for guns to be delivered sans grips. Can't think of a reason for it, but there must be a referance to that fact that has eluded me or I have forgotten in my dotage. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-26-2012, 10:29 PM	#11
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	I dont know if thats accurate or not, I know I've seen it said in more than one place but can only find this thread at the moment. The dozen or so Vickers Lugers I have seen in photos seem to have the rough grips, but that does not prove anything. It would make sense that the wood grips be one of the most commonly replaced parts in a humid environment, so it would make sense that it would be rare to find them with finely checkered originals. I know I saw a listing somewhere for a Vickers in an original presentation case and near perfect finish. I do not recall what the grips looked like, but it might serve as a reference...

03-26-2012, 10:32 PM	#12
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	I have wondered the same thing about the finish on my #4506 Dutch Vickers. All matching with GS stamped grips and 1939 dated barrel. When these were refinished at the armory were the small parts restrawed or reblued? No straw left on this one. Tom Attached Thumbnails

03-26-2012, 10:37 PM	#13
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	Nevermind... I don't believe my own reference.... http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...165Vickers.htm Is this a Vickers or just a Dutch contract DWM?

03-27-2012, 11:04 AM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	The pistol on FGS is a Vickers. Not a Dutch contract, but one prepped as a gift/presentation pistol. I've seen blued safeties on reworked Dutch lugers, triggers are usually strawed with most strawing missing, leaving a blackish spotted surface. These Dutch guns had a hard life and they should look that way. The pistol on Simpson's website looks way too nice and was probably refinished by some US 'arsenal' Here is a Vickers that survived Palestine after it survived Dutch East India and WW2. Attached Thumbnails