Tom Armstrongs new NAVY :)

Edward Tinker · 01-20-2003, 11:03 PM

I posted Tom's new Navy pictures in the Members Gallery.

Ed

Here is his description, which is also there:

JohnB · 01-21-2003, 01:19 AM

Now *this* one has a mighty interesting premise...a U-Boat Luger...Made me want to search a bit...

I found these:

http://uboat.net/wwi/fates/losses.html

http://uboat.net/wwi/boats/index.html?boat=11

<img border="0" alt="[bigbye]" title="" src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" />

JohnF · 01-21-2003, 03:19 AM

What a fascinating piece of history and a great find. If it wasn't for the fact that my government would have destroyed it, were it to be here, I'd be green with envy.

Navy · 01-21-2003, 12:25 PM

I am *very* fond of this piece and am quite taken with the history. I have been successful in finding some period photographs of the boat and am looking for any related materials.

Tom A

Roadkill · 01-21-2003, 04:10 PM

Tom, pure speculation on my part, but they possibly would not have the boat fully armed for a training cruise. Their OPCON would not have been at the highest level requiring full equipment for wartime operations. Great find.

rk

Navy · 01-21-2003, 07:40 PM

Hi RK, Fellow Green Suit Warrior...

I must confess I have been unable to find any material that explains the SOP or sets out the SOP for a uboat going to sea. My theory is based on personal experience as a "passenger" on a troop carrying submarine many, many years ago and my correspondence with a group of German and American submariners.

All seem to be in agreement that its a 50/50 split between the Chief of the boat or the XO. No matter the case, he was a *very* lucky guy.

Tom A.

Roadkill · 01-21-2003, 09:07 PM

I guess this is somewhat related, but what is amazing to me is the state of engineering at the time that made Uboat operations possible and was so absolutely pitiful in the development of armored warfare. The tanks of the time were aboriginal when compared to a submarine, torpedoes, ect., just another case of misaligned priorities. If the effort would have gone into armor instead of submarines the western front definitely would not have been "all quiet".

rk

AGE · 01-21-2003, 11:50 PM

RK,

Automobiles were pretty poor at that time also while some of the best handguns (1911s and Lugers) and excellent submarines were in service.

John Sabato · 01-22-2003, 10:47 AM

AGE,

I submit that the reason for efforts shown to design advanced arms of the period versus automobiles is that weapons relate to power... automobiles play a lesser role in power struggles than do handguns.

Edward Tinker · 01-22-2003, 11:42 AM

Well, since we are OT... I think it comes down to size and intricacy. I know guns are intricate, but you can hold it in your hand. You don't need power to go, power to stop, how to turn it, how to provide power to it, etc.

If you can hold it in your hand, you can slowly move it around and picture the problem.

01-20-2003, 11:03 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Tom Armstrongs new NAVY :) I posted Tom's new Navy pictures in the Members Gallery. Ed Here is his description, which is also there: __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-21-2003, 11:50 PM	#8
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	RK, Automobiles were pretty poor at that time also while some of the best handguns (1911s and Lugers) and excellent submarines were in service. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

01-22-2003, 10:47 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	AGE, I submit that the reason for efforts shown to design advanced arms of the period versus automobiles is that weapons relate to power... automobiles play a lesser role in power struggles than do handguns. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-22-2003, 11:42 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Well, since we are OT... I think it comes down to size and intricacy. I know guns are intricate, but you can hold it in your hand. You don't need power to go, power to stop, how to turn it, how to provide power to it, etc. If you can hold it in your hand, you can slowly move it around and picture the problem. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-21-2003, 01:19 AM	#2
JohnB Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Now this one has a mighty interesting premise...a U-Boat Luger...Made me want to search a bit... I found these: http://uboat.net/wwi/fates/losses.html http://uboat.net/wwi/boats/index.html?boat=11 <img border="0" alt="[bigbye]" title="" src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" />

01-21-2003, 03:19 AM	#3
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	What a fascinating piece of history and a great find. If it wasn't for the fact that my government would have destroyed it, were it to be here, I'd be green with envy.

01-21-2003, 12:25 PM	#4
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	I am very fond of this piece and am quite taken with the history. I have been successful in finding some period photographs of the boat and am looking for any related materials. Tom A

01-21-2003, 04:10 PM	#5
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Tom, pure speculation on my part, but they possibly would not have the boat fully armed for a training cruise. Their OPCON would not have been at the highest level requiring full equipment for wartime operations. Great find. rk

01-21-2003, 07:40 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi RK, Fellow Green Suit Warrior... I must confess I have been unable to find any material that explains the SOP or sets out the SOP for a uboat going to sea. My theory is based on personal experience as a "passenger" on a troop carrying submarine many, many years ago and my correspondence with a group of German and American submariners. All seem to be in agreement that its a 50/50 split between the Chief of the boat or the XO. No matter the case, he was a very lucky guy. Tom A.

01-21-2003, 09:07 PM	#7
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	I guess this is somewhat related, but what is amazing to me is the state of engineering at the time that made Uboat operations possible and was so absolutely pitiful in the development of armored warfare. The tanks of the time were aboriginal when compared to a submarine, torpedoes, ect., just another case of misaligned priorities. If the effort would have gone into armor instead of submarines the western front definitely would not have been "all quiet". rk