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09-16-2005, 09:57 AM | #1 |
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can someone tell me what grip strap marking "S.UP.I.55.R." means/translates to...thanks very much
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What year and manufacture is the pistol?
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Howard, Is there an Umlaut over the U, as in S.Ã??P.I.55.R. ?
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09-17-2005, 11:02 AM | #5 |
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The gun, A C96, is on Simpson's "what's new" page, does not show the proof its self and the gun is a bit questionable in my opinion, and I am trying to talk myself out of it, but was interested in finding out about the proof....just got a Weimar police from Check Point Charlie and will try to post pictures....thanks for any help
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Howard,
This is probably a pre-1922 Schupo or Sipo mark but, without seeing a photo of the mark, I can't hazard a guess. Is it on the front of the grip strap or the front of the mag well? The "R." represents precinct police (Revierhauptmannschaft or Revierpolizei) and may be a post-1922 addition to the mark. I'll be interested in your posting of your new Weimar police (Luger?).
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09-17-2005, 01:17 PM | #8 |
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Don, sorry I as not clear, the new gun is a C-96, not Luger, Weimar police property stamped, not a cut barrel, matching numbers, far east?? dipped blue and I will post pictures as soon as I can, easer for me is to email them to you if you would send you address.....this is one reason it would be nice to have a Luger fest....I would bring my humble collection for you pleasure and I would hope to see what you have horded away ...take a look at the Simpson broom and give me your opinion...not un-matched numbers, and not all numbers shown...
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09-17-2005, 02:11 PM | #9 |
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Howard, you may email me at donmaus1@aol.com.
I looked at the Simpson posting and it doesn't say where the unit mark is located. I have seen them on the front grip strap and on the front of the mag well. The mag well location probably indicates an earlier mark. I will go out on a limb: The mark may be "Op." and not "UP." I have found that most people are not that precise when reporting police marks. I have also seen an instance of an Op. mark that was reported as OP. because the lower-case p. was displaced upward and looked like an upper-case letter. If so, this mark is from the Prussian governmental district of Oppeln. My real collection is my unit mark database. My Luger collection numbers only 3 but is about to jump to 5!
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My money says it's a Truppen Ubungsplatz Reichswehr pistol. I think that they may have misread the marking.
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George, could you please translate that, thanks
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Howard,
Truppen Ã??bungsplatz is a troop training center. A Boot Camp pistol, but the S shouldn't be there unless it is marked out of sequence. Then it could be Truppen Ã??bungplatz Senne 1st battalion waffe #55. Don's translation sounds good too. It seems more probable that a C96 would be religated to a training unit. IMO. Ron
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09-18-2005, 07:14 PM | #13 |
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Ron, and all...thanks very much.
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Howard, et al.,
For what it's worth, I have a record in my database of a C96 with the unit mark "S.Op.IV." There was no weapon number listed in my source; however, I believe this indicates C96s were used, at least during the early 1920s, by the Schupo in Oppeln.
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Howard, buy the pistol and post some photos so we can solve the mystery.
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