1941Police Luger (?)

whodoc · 11-11-2009, 10:02 PM

Hi all, been watching the forum for awhile, finally posting. I have my Dad's Luger he got in WWII. I will post pics. first a little history... One of my Dad's buddies wrote a book of their journey through the war called "The Pride of Willing And Able" by Bill J. Krehbiel. My Dad got the Luger in new condition with holster. (see bottom of the page in pic) I believe its a Police issue. I am NOT selling this piece of my Dad's history .Just thought I would get some expert advise/opinions. I did shoot this 20 or so years ago, great gun. One matching magazine, one does not match number on gun. Holster only has wear from being stored and moved around for 65 years! no crease in the holder for the taken down tool(missing) its a new holster.
I can remember when I was 10 or so my Dad and older brother engraving Dad's drivers license number into all his guns, If I only knew what they were doing!!!!! a shame.

I will post more pics in next thread.
Mark

whodoc · 11-11-2009, 10:11 PM

some more pics,

whodoc · 11-11-2009, 10:16 PM

pics

whodoc · 11-11-2009, 10:22 PM

This is the only way I could figure out to post more pics, hope its acceptable>

suum cuique · 11-11-2009, 10:37 PM

Whodoc, welcome&congratulation, it's a very nice Police Luger, (has a sear safety) and a police holster. Too bad it has the DL# engraved, it lowers the value of the gun. But this can be fixed by an expert. Ask THOR for advise.

FNorm · 11-11-2009, 10:46 PM

Very nice indeed!!! It's worth getting fixed.

FN

whodoc · 11-11-2009, 10:56 PM

Thanks guys, its just a gun that will be handed down to my son or daughter later on....
any idea of value,?
Mark

Edward Tinker · 11-11-2009, 11:08 PM

It is a Banner Luger, not just a police luger. This was a commericial gun that went into police service. With the date of 1941 it went into army and issued to the police.

It is worth about $1500 to $3000, depending on who wanted it; as a banner is rare and a police even more so...

Be advised that "fixing" a problem like this is not acceptable to most true collectors. Yes its done, but whats the difference of "fixing" something like this and rebluing the entire gun?

Ed

whodoc · 11-11-2009, 11:19 PM

I am not going to "fix" this gun, just try to keep it in good condition and not shoot it! This site is just great with a lot of knowledgeable people!
thanks, Mark

Edward Tinker · 11-11-2009, 11:22 PM

If someone doesn't look up the serial and what it says in 3rd reich lugers, I will look it up when I have time

DavidJayUden · 11-12-2009, 12:18 AM

Mark:
Thanks for sharing!
DJU

Thor · 11-12-2009, 08:40 AM

What color is the top of the steel rivet that holds the sear safety in place. Blued or in the white? Pictures and lighting do funny things so I thought I would ask.
TRL indicates Serial Range 5800-10000 and then 1-740 for 1941 Police Banner EL EN with sear safety

whodoc · 11-12-2009, 12:45 PM

Hi Thor, the rivet is blued.
Mark

Lugerdoc · 11-13-2009, 12:09 PM

Thor, The rivit should be blued on these hot dipped post 1936 Police PO8s. Some of the earlier reworked ones will not be blued or it has worn off. I agree keeping it "as is" is probably the best course. TH

Jan C Still · 11-13-2009, 03:40 PM

All Mauser sear safety Lugers (G date, 1936 S/42, 1939 S/42, 41 byf; Police Banners dated 1938, 1939, 1940 1941 and 1942 Note: if present on 1942) have the sear safety installed by police armories. All the connecting rivets that I have observed on these Lugers (in original condition) are in the white.
Jan
1939 dated mauser military and police lugers http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...=Banner+Police
Figure 18 and 19.

See the following photographs in Third Reich Lugers; page 36 (fig.4i), page 47 (fig. 5g), page 62 (fig. 8c), and page 83 (fig 13e). Also, see pages 150-163 that show police banner Lugers. All those photographs in which the sear safety rivet can be seen, show it in the white.
Jan

whodoc · 11-13-2009, 06:19 PM

This luger is original, never been to a gunsmith or altered in any way(except for the drivers license # engraved!)
Dad got these new out of the case in Austria, had brought home two, gave one to his brother and kept this one.
Mark

Roh · 09-07-2015, 02:11 PM

Back in the early 80s as a police officer in South Florida, It was policy that every firearm we impounded for whatever reason, the case number had to be engraved on the frame or slide. You cannot imagine how painful this was for me, we ruined many good firearms, luckily the Dept. was sued a few times and the practice stopped.

11-11-2009, 10:02 PM	#1
whodoc User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1941Police Luger (?) Hi all, been watching the forum for awhile, finally posting. I have my Dad's Luger he got in WWII. I will post pics. first a little history... One of my Dad's buddies wrote a book of their journey through the war called "The Pride of Willing And Able" by Bill J. Krehbiel. My Dad got the Luger in new condition with holster. (see bottom of the page in pic) I believe its a Police issue. I am NOT selling this piece of my Dad's history .Just thought I would get some expert advise/opinions. I did shoot this 20 or so years ago, great gun. One matching magazine, one does not match number on gun. Holster only has wear from being stored and moved around for 65 years! no crease in the holder for the taken down tool(missing) its a new holster. I can remember when I was 10 or so my Dad and older brother engraving Dad's drivers license number into all his guns, If I only knew what they were doing!!!!! a shame. I will post more pics in next thread. Mark Attached Thumbnails

11-11-2009, 10:11 PM	#2
whodoc User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	more pics some more pics, Attached Thumbnails

11-11-2009, 10:16 PM	#3
whodoc User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	pics Attached Thumbnails

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whodoc User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	pics This is the only way I could figure out to post more pics, hope its acceptable> Attached Thumbnails

11-11-2009, 10:37 PM	#5
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Whodoc, welcome&congratulation, it's a very nice Police Luger, (has a sear safety) and a police holster. Too bad it has the DL# engraved, it lowers the value of the gun. But this can be fixed by an expert. Ask THOR for advise. __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

11-11-2009, 10:46 PM	#6
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Very nice indeed!!! It's worth getting fixed. FN

11-11-2009, 10:56 PM	#7
whodoc User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks guys, its just a gun that will be handed down to my son or daughter later on.... any idea of value,? Mark

11-11-2009, 11:08 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	It is a Banner Luger, not just a police luger. This was a commericial gun that went into police service. With the date of 1941 it went into army and issued to the police. It is worth about $1500 to $3000, depending on who wanted it; as a banner is rare and a police even more so... Be advised that "fixing" a problem like this is not acceptable to most true collectors. Yes its done, but whats the difference of "fixing" something like this and rebluing the entire gun? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-11-2009, 11:19 PM	#9
whodoc User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am not going to "fix" this gun, just try to keep it in good condition and not shoot it! This site is just great with a lot of knowledgeable people! thanks, Mark

11-11-2009, 11:22 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	If someone doesn't look up the serial and what it says in 3rd reich lugers, I will look it up when I have time __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-12-2009, 12:18 AM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Mark: Thanks for sharing! DJU

11-12-2009, 08:40 AM	#12
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	What color is the top of the steel rivet that holds the sear safety in place. Blued or in the white? Pictures and lighting do funny things so I thought I would ask. TRL indicates Serial Range 5800-10000 and then 1-740 for 1941 Police Banner EL EN with sear safety __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-12-2009, 12:45 PM	#13
whodoc User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Thor, the rivet is blued. Mark

11-13-2009, 12:09 PM	#14
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Thor, The rivit should be blued on these hot dipped post 1936 Police PO8s. Some of the earlier reworked ones will not be blued or it has worn off. I agree keeping it "as is" is probably the best course. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-13-2009, 03:40 PM	#15
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	All Mauser sear safety Lugers (G date, 1936 S/42, 1939 S/42, 41 byf; Police Banners dated 1938, 1939, 1940 1941 and 1942 Note: if present on 1942) have the sear safety installed by police armories. All the connecting rivets that I have observed on these Lugers (in original condition) are in the white. Jan 1939 dated mauser military and police lugers http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...=Banner+Police Figure 18 and 19. See the following photographs in Third Reich Lugers; page 36 (fig.4i), page 47 (fig. 5g), page 62 (fig. 8c), and page 83 (fig 13e). Also, see pages 150-163 that show police banner Lugers. All those photographs in which the sear safety rivet can be seen, show it in the white. Jan

11-13-2009, 06:19 PM	#16
whodoc User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This luger is original, never been to a gunsmith or altered in any way(except for the drivers license # engraved!) Dad got these new out of the case in Austria, had brought home two, gave one to his brother and kept this one. Mark

09-07-2015, 02:11 PM	#17
Roh User Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Back in the early 80s as a police officer in South Florida, It was policy that every firearm we impounded for whatever reason, the case number had to be engraved on the frame or slide. You cannot imagine how painful this was for me, we ruined many good firearms, luckily the Dept. was sued a few times and the practice stopped.