mauser 42 rig

jshep · 08-12-2014, 10:46 PM

hello all, was browsing armslist and found this posting and wanted some opinions. is it worth 1500? what could be some good questions to ask the seller? thanks

description:
A very nice WWII Mauser byf Luger, made in 1942, serial number 2659i, matching numbers, 42 marked take down too, two identical FXO plastic bottom mags proofed Eagle 37, matching 1942 holster with a good scrap cut on the back, excellent bore, original blue with no rust or damage.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/338185...lack-widow-rig

DavidJayUden · 08-12-2014, 11:08 PM

At first glance it seems like a pretty darn good deal. If it were my money I'd request more photos, a 3 day inspection, more info. on the holster (repro?), and want to confirm that the internals ALL match.
Keep us posted as info. comes in.
dju

DavidJayUden · 08-12-2014, 11:10 PM

Also, a takedown tool numbered "42" sounds fishy.
dju

jshep · 08-12-2014, 11:14 PM

Yeah it was posted today so I've got plenty of time to bug him with questions, I'll request more pictures before the end of the night

ChannelIsles · 08-13-2014, 02:53 AM

It looked too good to be true - link now reads
"The community has spoken! This listing been flagged as a scam."

alanint · 08-13-2014, 04:26 AM

The Holster was certainly an "aged" repro.

Norme · 08-13-2014, 09:40 AM

I don't see any obvious red flags on the holster. Perhaps you guys could tell me why you think it's a repro?
Norm

ithacaartist · 08-13-2014, 10:03 AM

Armslist seems rife with this stuff. Remember the Navy I posted about last year? The scammer had snagged the pics and description from a legitimate offer on another site and was trolling for customers on a couple other sites. I nibbled until my FFL told me the license they sent was a phony--name and address changed to another state! I turned all the emails and info over to the BATFE, which was an accomplishment in itself because they shunted me around three times until I was put in contact with the agent with proper jurisdiction. The upshot was that they probably wouldn't do much about these frauds, and I'd never hear the outcome of whatever investigation might be conducted.

alanint · 08-13-2014, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

I don't see any obvious red flags on the holster. Perhaps you guys could tell me why you think it's a repro?
Norm

Although I could certainly be wrong, my first clues were the poor stitching on the tool pouch, the die bleed over on the tool pouch cover, (I never see this on authentic holsters) and the incorrect knot at the end of the pull strap.

Edward Tinker · 08-13-2014, 10:21 AM

Norm, I agree, it looked fine to me too (holster)

I know a friend that almost got ripped off on a Colt that I pointed him too! If they are not in the area, or they refuse more pictures, than I am leery, but because of several scams, I stay away from Arms list.

Craigslist, I had an old trunk up for sale, got the classic response. interested, sent emails and eventually they said, they lived out of the area and I would have to ship, they would send me full money, I pay up front for the shipping company and for my 'trouble' I would keep an extra $100 - they said that I would have to pay the shipping company and they would Paypal me - which, they did / looked like a real paypal payment, was not of course. But it looked very real...

John Sabato · 08-13-2014, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

Although I could certainly be wrong, my first clues were the poor stitching on the tool pouch, the die bleed over on the tool pouch cover, (I never see this on authentic holsters) and the incorrect knot at the end of the pull strap.

Doug, YOU MAY be wrong, but if you are, then I am too because I am inclined to agree with you... Repro holster IMHO for the same reasons.

Not that it matters much since it appears to be a scam anyway.

DavidJayUden · 08-13-2014, 11:54 AM

Norm:
The condition of the inside of the tool flap just looks too new, unused. Also the thickness of the main closure strap looks suspect. But seeing that the tool was "also marked 42" brought everything into suspicion, and here weren't enough good photos to go to work on the gun, mags, or tool. We just need more photos.
I'm interested to hear Jerry weigh in on the holster.
dju

John Sabato · 08-13-2014, 11:57 AM

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Back!

This time the gun is on GunAuction, and the price has jumped to $3450.00 !

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/129359...lack-widow-rig

jshep · 08-13-2014, 12:33 PM

The seller has responded to my contact and states someone low balled him and flagged him as spam when he wouldn't take the offer, I'll post the emails and the other pictures he sent me shortly when I'm off work

John Sabato · 08-13-2014, 12:41 PM

I would love to know his explanation for doubling the price from one auction site to another!

alanint · 08-13-2014, 01:09 PM

Does anybody recognize a "DKK 42" maker's mark on the holster? The additional photos certainly point to authentic, but either someone was uncharacteristically sloppy with the holster die, or somebody tried to "freshen" the finish with shoe polish.

Also, I imagine we have a member or two in Arizona who could mosey over and take a look at it, (not that I'm buying)?

John Sabato · 08-13-2014, 01:27 PM

I know Frank Manders doesn't need this gun, as when we had lunch a few weeks ago he told me he finally had one Mauser for every year of manufacture in his collection... but I am sure he might be interested to look at the rig...

Frank, are you listening?

DavidJayUden · 08-13-2014, 01:34 PM

If the price is $3500, is there any point in making the trip?
dju

tharpo · 08-13-2014, 02:22 PM

"KN" has 707 positive feedbacks on gunauction.com. Could the armslist guy be using his pictures?

Norme · 08-13-2014, 02:37 PM

After looking at the new photos, I still do not see anything wrong with this rig, The gun, magazines, holster and tool, all look correct. While a price of $3,450.00 may not rank with the Louisiana Purchase as the bargain of the century, it's not out of line with the market. And David, I don't know why the 42 marked tool should arouse suspicion, they are not common but they are illustrated in "Third Reich Lugers" and mentioned, but not illustrated, by Sturgess.
Regards, Norm
P.S. I am not acquainted with the seller, my interest in this lot is purely academic.

08-12-2014, 10:46 PM	#1
jshep User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 23 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	mauser 42 rig hello all, was browsing armslist and found this posting and wanted some opinions. is it worth 1500? what could be some good questions to ask the seller? thanks description: A very nice WWII Mauser byf Luger, made in 1942, serial number 2659i, matching numbers, 42 marked take down too, two identical FXO plastic bottom mags proofed Eagle 37, matching 1942 holster with a good scrap cut on the back, excellent bore, original blue with no rust or damage. http://www.armslist.com/posts/338185...lack-widow-rig Attached Thumbnails

08-13-2014, 02:53 AM	#5
ChannelIsles User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jersey Channel Islands Posts: 156 Thanks: 8 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Possible Scam It looked too good to be true - link now reads "The community has spoken! This listing been flagged as a scam."

08-13-2014, 10:03 AM	#8
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,292 Thanks: 7,060 Thanked 2,485 Times in 1,325 Posts	Armslist seems rife with this stuff. Remember the Navy I posted about last year? The scammer had snagged the pics and description from a legitimate offer on another site and was trolling for customers on a couple other sites. I nibbled until my FFL told me the license they sent was a phony--name and address changed to another state! I turned all the emails and info over to the BATFE, which was an accomplishment in itself because they shunted me around three times until I was put in contact with the agent with proper jurisdiction. The upshot was that they probably wouldn't do much about these frauds, and I'd never hear the outcome of whatever investigation might be conducted. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

08-13-2014, 11:57 AM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	*Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Back!* This time the gun is on GunAuction, and the price has jumped to $3450.00 ! http://www.gunauction.com/buy/129359...lack-widow-rig __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-13-2014, 12:41 PM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I would love to know his explanation for doubling the price from one auction site to another! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-12-2014, 11:08 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	At first glance it seems like a pretty darn good deal. If it were my money I'd request more photos, a 3 day inspection, more info. on the holster (repro?), and want to confirm that the internals ALL match. Keep us posted as info. comes in. dju

08-12-2014, 11:10 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Also, a takedown tool numbered "42" sounds fishy. dju

08-12-2014, 11:14 PM	#4
jshep User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 23 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Yeah it was posted today so I've got plenty of time to bug him with questions, I'll request more pictures before the end of the night

08-13-2014, 04:26 AM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The Holster was certainly an "aged" repro.

08-13-2014, 09:40 AM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,415 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,594 Times in 931 Posts	I don't see any obvious red flags on the holster. Perhaps you guys could tell me why you think it's a repro? Norm

08-13-2014, 10:21 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Norm, I agree, it looked fine to me too (holster) I know a friend that almost got ripped off on a Colt that I pointed him too! If they are not in the area, or they refuse more pictures, than I am leery, but because of several scams, I stay away from Arms list. Craigslist, I had an old trunk up for sale, got the classic response. interested, sent emails and eventually they said, they lived out of the area and I would have to ship, they would send me full money, I pay up front for the shipping company and for my 'trouble' I would keep an extra $100 - they said that I would have to pay the shipping company and they would Paypal me - which, they did / looked like a real paypal payment, was not of course. But it looked very real...

08-13-2014, 11:54 AM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Norm: The condition of the inside of the tool flap just looks too new, unused. Also the thickness of the main closure strap looks suspect. But seeing that the tool was "also marked 42" brought everything into suspicion, and here weren't enough good photos to go to work on the gun, mags, or tool. We just need more photos. I'm interested to hear Jerry weigh in on the holster. dju

08-13-2014, 12:33 PM	#14
jshep User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 23 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	The seller has responded to my contact and states someone low balled him and flagged him as spam when he wouldn't take the offer, I'll post the emails and the other pictures he sent me shortly when I'm off work

08-13-2014, 01:09 PM	#16
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Does anybody recognize a "DKK 42" maker's mark on the holster? The additional photos certainly point to authentic, but either someone was uncharacteristically sloppy with the holster die, or somebody tried to "freshen" the finish with shoe polish. Also, I imagine we have a member or two in Arizona who could mosey over and take a look at it, (not that I'm buying)?

08-13-2014, 01:27 PM	#17
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I know Frank Manders doesn't need this gun, as when we had lunch a few weeks ago he told me he finally had one Mauser for every year of manufacture in his collection... but I am sure he might be interested to look at the rig... Frank, are you listening? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-13-2014, 01:34 PM	#18
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	If the price is $3500, is there any point in making the trip? dju

08-13-2014, 02:22 PM	#19
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 537 Thanks: 116 Thanked 376 Times in 154 Posts	"KN" has 707 positive feedbacks on gunauction.com. Could the armslist guy be using his pictures?

08-13-2014, 02:37 PM	#20
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,415 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,594 Times in 931 Posts	After looking at the new photos, I still do not see anything wrong with this rig, The gun, magazines, holster and tool, all look correct. While a price of $3,450.00 may not rank with the Louisiana Purchase as the bargain of the century, it's not out of line with the market. And David, I don't know why the 42 marked tool should arouse suspicion, they are not common but they are illustrated in "Third Reich Lugers" and mentioned, but not illustrated, by Sturgess. Regards, Norm P.S. I am not acquainted with the seller, my interest in this lot is purely academic.