1942 Luger (Issue #2)

dacotua · 08-02-2015, 08:17 PM

Ok, sorry guys, just did a search and can not find anything thats close to my issue.

I just replaced all the "Coil" springs on my 1942 Police Mauser Luger. The gun shoots fine but I'm getting a failure to properly eject on the gun.

The shot brass is pulled from the chamber, the toggle goes to the rear, picks up a new round out of the magazine and starts pushing the new cartridge into the chamber. BUT the old brass is caught by the toggle and locks it against the toggle and the frame of the pistol right above the chamber.

Yes there is a new round thats almost all the way into the chamber, but the old spent brass is lodge above it between the toggle and the frame.

Any ideas?

This is my first luger and I'm learning a lot from this forum. I figure once I fix this issue my gun will run 100%.

DTR04 · 08-02-2015, 08:35 PM

Broken ejector?

dacotua · 08-02-2015, 09:18 PM

Extractor and ejector looks fine. The extractor passes through the bolt and should push the brass off the face of the bolt. Looks triangular.

The ejector always pulls the brass out of the chamber.

I wasnt sure if the ejector can get weak and not work properly?

DavidJayUden · 08-02-2015, 09:58 PM

If it comes out of the chamber then the extractor is OK, but if it's not being pitched clear of the gun then the ejector is suspect. Try a new one, as sometimes the old one wears a bit.
OR, given that you have just changed the spring, then consider that it is stiffer than normal and the toggle is not traveling back far enough or fast enough to completely eject the brass. That is where I'd look. While hot ammo is not recommended in the P08, personally if I had some around I'd try a couple of rounds to see if THEY eject.
My $.02.
dju

DonVoigt · 08-02-2015, 10:43 PM

Did it eject ok before you "fixed" it?

If so put the old mainspring back in it.

What David said in post $#4 above is likely the case.

FleetMan · 08-02-2015, 11:09 PM

Since this is your first Luger, have you tried a more firm grip when shooting. A less than firm grip ofter results in "stove pipes" when shooting the Luger. That was my problem, concentrating on my grip solved it for me.

dacotua · 08-02-2015, 11:59 PM

It ejected, but had another issue before I put new springs in it. The toggle would not have enough energy to load the next round into the chamber. Sometimes it would but 20% of the time it wouldn't. It would also jam like I posted above.

The new springs cured the toggle not having enough energy to load the next round, and now I've concentrated on this issue. I just figured before it was due to an issue with the gun that was also causing this issue.

(Yes I'm holding the gun very securely and its still doing the same thing.)

My gut is telling me its the ejector, but it does not appear to be broken. This evening (after I shot the gun and this issue is still there), I decided to remove the ejector and put more of a "bow" in the spring. I've reinstalled it and now hand cycling, the brass is thrown further out of the gun.

I was just posting for suggestions or if someone else has had this issue they could chime in.

4 Scale · 08-03-2015, 12:24 AM

It's not unusual to fix one thing and find something else acting up. Lugers are a balanced system.

I don't think it's the mainspring, as the toggle is coming back far enough to push a new round off the magazine.

I would suspect extractor, extractor spring, and ejector in about that order. Also perhaps remove the extractor and clean that area. This is where it's helpful to have more than one, to swap parts for testing.

Curly1 · 08-03-2015, 11:03 AM

What brand of ammo are you using?

dacotua · 08-03-2015, 02:06 PM

Winchester 115gr and 124gr. Both do the same

Zorba · 08-03-2015, 04:42 PM

Another thing to try is removing the extractor, and cleaning/oiling everything in that area really well. That fixed a similar issue I was having with my Nambu.

rhuff · 08-04-2015, 04:10 PM

Another place to look is the breechface. Be sure that there is no buildup of crud(scientific term) where the casehead fits into the breechface. I had a buildup in that area that caused a problem. It doesn't take a lot to be problematic. Remove the firing pin and spring, then place a cartridge into the breechface and see if the extractor is holding it firmly in place.....it should if everything is correct.

08-02-2015, 08:17 PM	#1
dacotua User Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	1942 Luger (Issue #2) Ok, sorry guys, just did a search and can not find anything thats close to my issue. I just replaced all the "Coil" springs on my 1942 Police Mauser Luger. The gun shoots fine but I'm getting a failure to properly eject on the gun. The shot brass is pulled from the chamber, the toggle goes to the rear, picks up a new round out of the magazine and starts pushing the new cartridge into the chamber. BUT the old brass is caught by the toggle and locks it against the toggle and the frame of the pistol right above the chamber. Yes there is a new round thats almost all the way into the chamber, but the old spent brass is lodge above it between the toggle and the frame. Any ideas? This is my first luger and I'm learning a lot from this forum. I figure once I fix this issue my gun will run 100%.

08-03-2015, 11:03 AM	#9
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,242 Thanks: 117 Thanked 714 Times in 371 Posts	What brand of ammo are you using? __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

08-02-2015, 08:35 PM	#2
DTR04 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 52 Thanks: 92 Thanked 36 Times in 18 Posts	Broken ejector?

08-02-2015, 09:18 PM	#3
dacotua User Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Extractor and ejector looks fine. The extractor passes through the bolt and should push the brass off the face of the bolt. Looks triangular. The ejector always pulls the brass out of the chamber. I wasnt sure if the ejector can get weak and not work properly?

08-02-2015, 09:58 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	If it comes out of the chamber then the extractor is OK, but if it's not being pitched clear of the gun then the ejector is suspect. Try a new one, as sometimes the old one wears a bit. OR, given that you have just changed the spring, then consider that it is stiffer than normal and the toggle is not traveling back far enough or fast enough to completely eject the brass. That is where I'd look. While hot ammo is not recommended in the P08, personally if I had some around I'd try a couple of rounds to see if THEY eject. My $.02. dju

08-02-2015, 10:43 PM	#5
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Did it eject ok before you "fixed" it? If so put the old mainspring back in it. What David said in post $#4 above is likely the case.

08-02-2015, 11:09 PM	#6
FleetMan User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Western WA Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Since this is your first Luger, have you tried a more firm grip when shooting. A less than firm grip ofter results in "stove pipes" when shooting the Luger. That was my problem, concentrating on my grip solved it for me.

08-02-2015, 11:59 PM	#7
dacotua User Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	It ejected, but had another issue before I put new springs in it. The toggle would not have enough energy to load the next round into the chamber. Sometimes it would but 20% of the time it wouldn't. It would also jam like I posted above. The new springs cured the toggle not having enough energy to load the next round, and now I've concentrated on this issue. I just figured before it was due to an issue with the gun that was also causing this issue. (Yes I'm holding the gun very securely and its still doing the same thing.) My gut is telling me its the ejector, but it does not appear to be broken. This evening (after I shot the gun and this issue is still there), I decided to remove the ejector and put more of a "bow" in the spring. I've reinstalled it and now hand cycling, the brass is thrown further out of the gun. I was just posting for suggestions or if someone else has had this issue they could chime in.

08-03-2015, 12:24 AM	#8
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	It's not unusual to fix one thing and find something else acting up. Lugers are a balanced system. I don't think it's the mainspring, as the toggle is coming back far enough to push a new round off the magazine. I would suspect extractor, extractor spring, and ejector in about that order. Also perhaps remove the extractor and clean that area. This is where it's helpful to have more than one, to swap parts for testing.

08-03-2015, 02:06 PM	#10
dacotua User Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Winchester 115gr and 124gr. Both do the same

08-03-2015, 04:42 PM	#11
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 527 Times in 290 Posts	Another thing to try is removing the extractor, and cleaning/oiling everything in that area really well. That fixed a similar issue I was having with my Nambu.

08-04-2015, 04:10 PM	#12
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	Another place to look is the breechface. Be sure that there is no buildup of crud(scientific term) where the casehead fits into the breechface. I had a buildup in that area that caused a problem. It doesn't take a lot to be problematic. Remove the firing pin and spring, then place a cartridge into the breechface and see if the extractor is holding it firmly in place.....it should if everything is correct.