Concealed Weapon?

zeke1312 · 02-21-2006, 12:52 PM

Had a discussion with a co-worker regarding this subject. How many states currently allow concealed hanguns? What has been the result of such laws? More or less crime? Positive and negative results? Some folks believe those who carry hanguns concealed pose a threat to themselves and the public as a whole.

Herb · 02-21-2006, 01:00 PM

Check out http://www.packing.org/state/

John Sabato · 02-21-2006, 07:02 PM

Yes, Thanks Herb, ...Zeke, you will find all you need to tell him on that website.

Curly1 · 02-21-2006, 09:19 PM

In New York State they dont give out carry anymore concelead or otherwise unless it is for the job or you have some kind of special situation a judge will agree to. Fortunatly I got mine in 76 and the wife got hers in the 80's.

zeke1312 · 02-22-2006, 12:05 AM

Lots of info but didn't answer my questions. I'll try some searchs on the subject. Thanks!

pipeman45 · 02-22-2006, 12:10 AM

If you are a member. The NRA may have the information you need. Worth a shot so to speak.

zeke1312 · 02-22-2006, 11:11 AM

After a google search, I did find information concerning number of states allowing RTC. Also found some data/statistics on crime rates for RTCers vs the general public. The NRA web site had some of the info, the state of Texas had data on their findings.

Very interesting. Generally I've found those who don't support RTC appear not well informed before they make a judgement on the subject. Those folks that do not collect or use firearms are against RTC as well as some law enforcement people.

Overall, from what I have read, crime is reduced in those states that allow concealed weapons and those states that recently enacted RTC laws now enjoy reduced crime as seen by their stats.

Now a few people I've run into that hunt for game such as deer, etc., do not support RTC. After they comment hunting for deer is to, in effect, put meat on the table, don't see why another would wonder why they don't go to the supermarket to buy meat. Unlike 200 years ago, the need to kill critters as Lewis & Clark did for survival is just not there. (I just use this senario as a devils advocate) to show how opinions are formed as I support hunting.

I now have information printed to so my co-worker information on the subject.

Fritzer · 02-22-2006, 06:13 PM

Zeke,
John Lott is often qouted by the pro-gun side for having published "definitive" works on the subjet.
Look here : Link -John Lott .com

Regards,
Fritz.

zeke1312 · 02-22-2006, 06:50 PM

Fritz:

Thanks for the info!

stefanosg · 02-22-2006, 09:34 PM

A good place to keep an eye on will be here in Florida. As of October last year they passed the "stand your ground" law. The short of it is, if an individual feels their safety is threatened or their possessions are at risk, you are legally authorized to use deadly force. This is putting it simple. I retook the concealed weapons class to get more info. Unfortunately, thats alot of ground to cover in a 3 hour class.

lundbaek · 02-23-2006, 01:11 AM

I think one should distinguish between states that permit concealed carry only with a permit, and those that permit concealed carry without a permit.

The idea of having to solicit the favour of any other person so I can carry a gun galls me no end. For that reason I plan to do without the permit requirerd here in Arizona for concealed carry. Should I need to carry a pistol, I'd just carry it exposed.

Ron Wood · 02-23-2006, 02:08 AM

As I understand it, in Arizona you are allowed to carry a handgun exposed (shades of the Old West). However, I would be very selective where I carried it. Hospitals and drug stores where controlled substances are kept, and banks tend to get a little uneasy when someone with a gun on their hip enters the premises. Walking down the street in Scottsdale packing a shootin' iron also might cause the local constabulary to delay your stroll. Little old country bars probably couldn't care less, but in a urban night club might get you an unfavorable encounter with the bouncer.

zeke1312 · 02-23-2006, 11:48 AM

Nebraska also allows carrying an exposed handgun. Problem is, if you walked down any steet with a weapon on your hip, 9 squad cars filled with SWAT people would on you.

Frankly though, carrying an exposed handgun would be more accepted if you were out hunting deer.

Steve Richards · 02-23-2006, 10:10 PM

Here in Oregon they passed a "must issue" version of a concealed carry law. If an applicant does not fall into a prohibited from owning group and takes a class, the state must issue a concealed carry permit.

So far, in about 10 or so years, only two people have been shot by people with a permit and both were ruled justified by a grand jury. A few people have had their permits revoked for non-firearm offences and I don't think anyone has illegally used a gun that they were legally carriying concealed. I have not read if there has been any overall effect on crime.

Steve

stefanosg · 02-24-2006, 10:47 PM

I think what alot of people do not realise, is that people with permits are rarely the ones commiting crimes involving firearms. Most, I like to think, are people like myself. Hard working, honest, law abiding citizens, who enjoy shooting and collecting as a hobby and God forbid never need go further than that.

02-21-2006, 12:52 PM	#1
zeke1312 User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Concealed Weapon? Had a discussion with a co-worker regarding this subject. How many states currently allow concealed hanguns? What has been the result of such laws? More or less crime? Positive and negative results? Some folks believe those who carry hanguns concealed pose a threat to themselves and the public as a whole.

02-21-2006, 01:00 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Check out http://www.packing.org/state/ __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

02-21-2006, 07:02 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Yes, Thanks Herb, ...Zeke, you will find all you need to tell him on that website. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-21-2006, 09:19 PM	#4
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,238 Thanks: 116 Thanked 710 Times in 370 Posts	In New York State they dont give out carry anymore concelead or otherwise unless it is for the job or you have some kind of special situation a judge will agree to. Fortunatly I got mine in 76 and the wife got hers in the 80's. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

02-22-2006, 12:10 AM	#6
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If you are a member. The NRA may have the information you need. Worth a shot so to speak. __________________ Dave

02-22-2006, 12:05 AM	#5
zeke1312 User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Lots of info but didn't answer my questions. I'll try some searchs on the subject. Thanks!

02-22-2006, 11:11 AM	#7
zeke1312 User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	After a google search, I did find information concerning number of states allowing RTC. Also found some data/statistics on crime rates for RTCers vs the general public. The NRA web site had some of the info, the state of Texas had data on their findings. Very interesting. Generally I've found those who don't support RTC appear not well informed before they make a judgement on the subject. Those folks that do not collect or use firearms are against RTC as well as some law enforcement people. Overall, from what I have read, crime is reduced in those states that allow concealed weapons and those states that recently enacted RTC laws now enjoy reduced crime as seen by their stats. Now a few people I've run into that hunt for game such as deer, etc., do not support RTC. After they comment hunting for deer is to, in effect, put meat on the table, don't see why another would wonder why they don't go to the supermarket to buy meat. Unlike 200 years ago, the need to kill critters as Lewis & Clark did for survival is just not there. (I just use this senario as a devils advocate) to show how opinions are formed as I support hunting. I now have information printed to so my co-worker information on the subject.

02-22-2006, 06:13 PM	#8
Fritzer User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Zeke, John Lott is often qouted by the pro-gun side for having published "definitive" works on the subjet. Look here : Link -John Lott .com Regards, Fritz.

02-22-2006, 06:50 PM	#9
zeke1312 User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Fritz: Thanks for the info!

02-22-2006, 09:34 PM	#10
stefanosg User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East Central Florida Posts: 367 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	A good place to keep an eye on will be here in Florida. As of October last year they passed the "stand your ground" law. The short of it is, if an individual feels their safety is threatened or their possessions are at risk, you are legally authorized to use deadly force. This is putting it simple. I retook the concealed weapons class to get more info. Unfortunately, thats alot of ground to cover in a 3 hour class.

02-23-2006, 01:11 AM	#11
lundbaek User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think one should distinguish between states that permit concealed carry only with a permit, and those that permit concealed carry without a permit. The idea of having to solicit the favour of any other person so I can carry a gun galls me no end. For that reason I plan to do without the permit requirerd here in Arizona for concealed carry. Should I need to carry a pistol, I'd just carry it exposed.

02-23-2006, 02:08 AM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	As I understand it, in Arizona you are allowed to carry a handgun exposed (shades of the Old West). However, I would be very selective where I carried it. Hospitals and drug stores where controlled substances are kept, and banks tend to get a little uneasy when someone with a gun on their hip enters the premises. Walking down the street in Scottsdale packing a shootin' iron also might cause the local constabulary to delay your stroll. Little old country bars probably couldn't care less, but in a urban night club might get you an unfavorable encounter with the bouncer. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-23-2006, 11:48 AM	#13
zeke1312 User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Nebraska also allows carrying an exposed handgun. Problem is, if you walked down any steet with a weapon on your hip, 9 squad cars filled with SWAT people would on you. Frankly though, carrying an exposed handgun would be more accepted if you were out hunting deer.

02-23-2006, 10:10 PM	#14
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here in Oregon they passed a "must issue" version of a concealed carry law. If an applicant does not fall into a prohibited from owning group and takes a class, the state must issue a concealed carry permit. So far, in about 10 or so years, only two people have been shot by people with a permit and both were ruled justified by a grand jury. A few people have had their permits revoked for non-firearm offences and I don't think anyone has illegally used a gun that they were legally carriying concealed. I have not read if there has been any overall effect on crime. Steve

02-24-2006, 10:47 PM	#15
stefanosg User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East Central Florida Posts: 367 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	I think what alot of people do not realise, is that people with permits are rarely the ones commiting crimes involving firearms. Most, I like to think, are people like myself. Hard working, honest, law abiding citizens, who enjoy shooting and collecting as a hobby and God forbid never need go further than that.