1908 Navy on Gunbroker

Big Norm · 03-29-2004, 02:36 AM

Here is a 1908 navy Luger that I just saw on Gunbroker. This has got to be to worse job of buffing that I have ever seen on any Luger. Parents, don't let your children see this mess. This weapon has to be rated triple X or something to indicate the violence that was done to it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=17117033

Big Norm <img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" />

Navy · 03-29-2004, 08:51 AM

Makes me almost lose my breakfast.

Tom A.

Craig · 03-29-2004, 11:43 AM

Big Norm & Thor
Do you think Thor can get this old girl back?
Cheers
Craig

Thor · 03-29-2004, 11:57 AM

Sure thing! No problem, more of a challenge!

Tim · 03-29-2004, 08:33 PM

I spoke to thor earlier today and he assures me he could make a silk purse out of this sow's ear. I have a couple of his re works and can attest to his skill. I saw that thing and thought it was buffed beyond repair and salt blue (black) to the point of being an expensive trinket, but if Ted can spruce her up, I may want to have him take a whack at it. With the idea of a mandatory Thor refinish in mind, how much do you think the old girl would be worth as it sits?

If I had all the money I've spent on guns and cars, I'd probably spend it on guns and cars!

Navy · 03-29-2004, 08:45 PM

Tim,
If you were to take this on as a project, I believe you would spend more in restoration than it would be worth as an original. The only difference is you would spend it gradually over time. And when you were done, you would still have a restored gun which would be worth about what an un-futzed gun in 60% would bring.

That's just the way the market works.

Save your money and then buy the *absolute best* you can find. You can always get more money, but really great Lugers only show up when their previous caretakers have an appointment with the man in the long nightshirt.

My zwei pfennigs,

Tom A.

Craig · 03-30-2004, 12:01 AM

Gentlemen
I'm just a dumb farmboy from South Dakota so I asked someone who is a lot smarter than me. The serial number given by the seller is
Ref: I have been told not to give out the whole number via the net
however it is four digits starting with 14xx if you have any questions
send me your phone number and I will call you..

Is this OK: I was told no!

Big Norm · 04-01-2004, 01:40 AM

I could not agree with Tom more. I definately would not want to degrade Thors work, but this gun does not look like it would even make a good parts gun. The time and money that would be needed to make it look good just would not be worth it. All you would have is a pretty shooter. Even then, I would worry about the integrity of the metal. This thing has some pretty deep buffing done on it.
Big Norm

Thor · 04-01-2004, 05:02 PM

Well heck, I hate to think that Luger will have to look like that the rest of its life!!
If its a real bad example, its too bad to restore!
If its a real nice example, its too nice to restore! Interesting! If it is a Navy."Das ist Verboten!!! Ja?" lol!!

See, I dont even have a gut Navy Picture!
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Edward Tinker · 04-01-2004, 06:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Craig:
Gentlemen
I'm just a dumb farmboy from South Dakota so I asked someone who is a lot smarter than me. The serial number given by the seller is
Ref: I have been told not to give out the whole number via the net
however it is four digits starting with 14xx if you have any questions
send me your phone number and I will call you..

Is this OK: I was told no!<hr /></blockquote>Craig, many times a person is afraid to give the serial number out in a public forum. I think it is more for dealers than collectors, i.e. a dealer shows number 3456a and a guy buys it, takes his mismatched part off and replaces it with the good part from the dealer, returns the gun and now has a non-mismatch and the dealer was stuck...

I don't know how often this has actually happened, but once would be enough to make a dealer leery.

Ed

Thor · 04-02-2004, 12:08 PM

I noticed no reserve and someone has bid $1000. Perhaps I will get to restore it for someone!

Thor · 04-04-2004, 11:57 AM

Looks like it was sold. I checked feedback that was listed, I dont think I even want to restore it now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Big Norm · 04-06-2004, 03:26 AM

Thor,
I agree with you. I wonder what this individual will be selling on GunBroker in the near future to recapture his expenses. The only thing worse than this gun are its pictures. These pictures are as bad as the pictures that he usually has on GunBroker for his stuff. So its hard to tell what he will be able to part off of it. Personally, I don't think that he will be able to recoup his expenses. Just my opinion.
Big Norm

MauserLugers · 04-08-2004, 12:22 AM

Hi Norm,
Look at your private messages. I have a question for you/ -- Bill

George Anderson · 04-08-2004, 08:31 AM

In its next incarnation it will have three matching numbered magazines.

Big Norm · 04-09-2004, 01:40 AM

Hey George,
you forgot about the "original" post war navy holster! I believe that this individual has one like that on GunBroker now.
Big Norm

03-29-2004, 02:36 AM	#1
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	1908 Navy on Gunbroker Here is a 1908 navy Luger that I just saw on Gunbroker. This has got to be to worse job of buffing that I have ever seen on any Luger. Parents, don't let your children see this mess. This weapon has to be rated triple X or something to indicate the violence that was done to it. http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=17117033 Big Norm <img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" />

03-29-2004, 11:43 AM	#3
Craig User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Plano Texas Posts: 58 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Big Norm & Thor Do you think Thor can get this old girl back? Cheers Craig __________________ In God we trust, all others we monitor!

03-29-2004, 11:57 AM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Sure thing! No problem, more of a challenge! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

03-29-2004, 08:33 PM	#5
Tim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Great North Woods of Wisconsin Posts: 100 Thanks: 7 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	I spoke to thor earlier today and he assures me he could make a silk purse out of this sow's ear. I have a couple of his re works and can attest to his skill. I saw that thing and thought it was buffed beyond repair and salt blue (black) to the point of being an expensive trinket, but if Ted can spruce her up, I may want to have him take a whack at it. With the idea of a mandatory Thor refinish in mind, how much do you think the old girl would be worth as it sits? If I had all the money I've spent on guns and cars, I'd probably spend it on guns and cars! __________________ The intent of the second amendment was not to allow the private ownership of firearms. If it had been it would have said something like "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"...

03-30-2004, 12:01 AM	#7
Craig User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Plano Texas Posts: 58 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gentlemen I'm just a dumb farmboy from South Dakota so I asked someone who is a lot smarter than me. The serial number given by the seller is Ref: I have been told not to give out the whole number via the net however it is four digits starting with 14xx if you have any questions send me your phone number and I will call you.. Is this OK: I was told no! __________________ In God we trust, all others we monitor!

03-29-2004, 08:51 AM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Makes me almost lose my breakfast. Tom A.

03-29-2004, 08:45 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Tim, If you were to take this on as a project, I believe you would spend more in restoration than it would be worth as an original. The only difference is you would spend it gradually over time. And when you were done, you would still have a restored gun which would be worth about what an un-futzed gun in 60% would bring. That's just the way the market works. Save your money and then buy the absolute best you can find. You can always get more money, but really great Lugers only show up when their previous caretakers have an appointment with the man in the long nightshirt. My zwei pfennigs, Tom A.

04-01-2004, 01:40 AM	#8
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	I could not agree with Tom more. I definately would not want to degrade Thors work, but this gun does not look like it would even make a good parts gun. The time and money that would be needed to make it look good just would not be worth it. All you would have is a pretty shooter. Even then, I would worry about the integrity of the metal. This thing has some pretty deep buffing done on it. Big Norm

04-01-2004, 05:02 PM	#9
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Well heck, I hate to think that Luger will have to look like that the rest of its life!! If its a real bad example, its too bad to restore! If its a real nice example, its too nice to restore! Interesting! If it is a Navy."Das ist Verboten!!! Ja?" lol!! See, I dont even have a gut Navy Picture! <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/HCArty.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/HCArty.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

04-01-2004, 06:44 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,910 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Craig: <strong>Gentlemen I'm just a dumb farmboy from South Dakota so I asked someone who is a lot smarter than me. The serial number given by the seller is Ref: I have been told not to give out the whole number via the net however it is four digits starting with 14xx if you have any questions send me your phone number and I will call you.. Is this OK: I was told no!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Craig, many times a person is afraid to give the serial number out in a public forum. I think it is more for dealers than collectors, i.e. a dealer shows number 3456a and a guy buys it, takes his mismatched part off and replaces it with the good part from the dealer, returns the gun and now has a non-mismatch and the dealer was stuck... I don't know how often this has actually happened, but once would be enough to make a dealer leery. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-02-2004, 12:08 PM	#11
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I noticed no reserve and someone has bid $1000. Perhaps I will get to restore it for someone! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

04-04-2004, 11:57 AM	#12
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Looks like it was sold. I checked feedback that was listed, I dont think I even want to restore it now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

04-06-2004, 03:26 AM	#13
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Thor, I agree with you. I wonder what this individual will be selling on GunBroker in the near future to recapture his expenses. The only thing worse than this gun are its pictures. These pictures are as bad as the pictures that he usually has on GunBroker for his stuff. So its hard to tell what he will be able to part off of it. Personally, I don't think that he will be able to recoup his expenses. Just my opinion. Big Norm

04-08-2004, 12:22 AM	#14
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi Norm, Look at your private messages. I have a question for you/ -- Bill

04-08-2004, 08:31 AM	#15
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	In its next incarnation it will have three matching numbered magazines.

04-09-2004, 01:40 AM	#16
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Hey George, you forgot about the "original" post war navy holster! I believe that this individual has one like that on GunBroker now. Big Norm