Really great Navy Luger Postcard on Ebay

cdmech · 06-20-2012, 11:27 PM

Really great Navy Luger Postcard on Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-Ger...item53ed3680fe
Bidding is already to rich for me though.
Marc

Douglas Jr. · 06-22-2012, 08:08 AM

Nice indeed.
But this kind of picture always get some high bids.
It took me a few years to find one in an affordable range.

Douglas

sheepherder · 06-22-2012, 08:28 AM

There's been similar cards posted here, most seem to be from the Torpedo Division...

Was the 'Torpedo Division' a school???

I'm guessing that the pics are some kind of graduation picture, like from a school or training class of some kind...

But I'm curious as to what the Torpedo Division would have to do with sidearms??? Were torpedomen considered auxillary 'infantrymen' when an armed escort or boarding party [VBSS?] was required???

I can imagine that on a sub, everyone would wear many 'hats', and duties would be doubled or tripled...But why specifically a torpedoman???

And why not a rifle???

Norme · 06-22-2012, 09:39 AM

Your right, Rich, this photo and others like it are a sort of graduation picture. They were taken on completion of what the Germans call infantry training and we call basic training. Torpedo men served on torpedo boats, of which there were several hundred in the Imperial German Navy. In addition to near suicidal attacks on larger more powerful vessels, they acted as the German equivalent of our Coast Guard. Regards, Norm

alanint · 06-22-2012, 09:56 AM

The postcard sender was not particularly chatty!!

lugerholsterrepair · 06-22-2012, 11:15 AM

But I'm curious as to what the Torpedo Division would have to do with sidearms???

Lugers were issued to most Naval vessals. Even Submarines..They were used for various reasons but boarding parties or shore duty such as obtaining fresh water on shore. Anytime a small party left the boat and needed arms.

Norme · 06-22-2012, 11:43 AM

Hi Jerry, The Torpedo Divisions acted most of the time much as our Coast Guard does. They were constantly stopping and searching neutral vessels and they, more than any other branch of the service, were constantly sending out boarding parties. Despite the small size of these boats, they were allocated 30 P04s each, due to space restrictions no rifles could be carried. Regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 06-22-2012, 11:48 AM

WOW! That many? How many crew were there?

Norme · 06-22-2012, 11:58 AM

Don't know, Jerry, they were pretty small boats. The 1st Torpedo Division based at Kiel, on the Baltic, was larger than the 2nd Division which was based at Wilhelmshaven, on the North Sea. Photos taken at Kiel are easily recognized by the distinctive brick facade of the barracks building. The top photo is from Wilhelmshaven, the bottom, from Kiel. Regards, Norm

hansfischer007 · 06-22-2012, 12:13 PM

Heres Just one of the many that I have been lucky to find....and Ive had these photo enlarged by a good friend of mine that runs a good copy shop......and if you look at the NCO ....maybe officer...not sure...standing on right side....he has the Machine Gunners patch on his left sleeve...he also has the Iron Cross 2nd...anyway...Good photo...Hans Fischer

hansfischer007 · 06-22-2012, 12:15 PM

Its hard to believe the youth of these guys manning this Maxim.....in one of the Battles in WW1....the Germans had over 1,000 Maxims in operation........Hans Fischer

sheepherder · 06-22-2012, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Torpedo men served on torpedo boats, of which there were several hundred in the Imperial German Navy.

I didn't think of MTBs...I suppose because I've never read about them (in WW I)...

On an unrelated topic, it wasn't until I read Deighton's Winter that I even knew the German Navy had Zeppelins in WW I...Many of them...That attacked England in packs...

George Anderson · 06-23-2012, 03:40 PM

Here's a Navy Luger photo that was offered by the same seller but he misidentified it as an artillery. Note the single cockade on the machinegunner's cap. They were most likely members of one of the two Naval divisions in Flanders.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...m=360462057717

lugerholsterrepair · 06-23-2012, 03:50 PM

George, Both the gunner and NCO are wearing Imperial Navy Pistol holsters. The OIC is also wearing a double magazine pouch. Cool photo! Rare I bet...

Norme · 06-23-2012, 04:07 PM

Hi George, I was the winning bidder of this photo. What intrigued me apart from the Navy Type 1 altered holster and pouch on the officer's belt, is the fact that it's inscribed "Memories of 1914/15, Ernst" on the back. 1914/15 really? Best regards, Norm

George Anderson · 06-23-2012, 04:34 PM

Norm, I would bet it was taken in 1917/18 and the notation on back acknowledges an early war friendship between the sender and recipient. One of the fellows in the photo is probably the sender.

06-20-2012, 11:27 PM	#1
cdmech User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 218 Thanks: 87 Thanked 134 Times in 55 Posts	Really great Navy Luger Postcard on Ebay Really great Navy Luger Postcard on Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-Ger...item53ed3680fe Bidding is already to rich for me though. Marc

06-22-2012, 08:28 AM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	There's been similar cards posted here, most seem to be from the Torpedo Division... Was the 'Torpedo Division' a school??? I'm guessing that the pics are some kind of graduation picture, like from a school or training class of some kind... But I'm curious as to what the Torpedo Division would have to do with sidearms??? Were torpedomen considered auxillary 'infantrymen' when an armed escort or boarding party [VBSS?] was required??? I can imagine that on a sub, everyone would wear many 'hats', and duties would be doubled or tripled...But why specifically a torpedoman??? And why not a rifle??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

06-22-2012, 11:15 AM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	But I'm curious as to what the Torpedo Division would have to do with sidearms??? Lugers were issued to most Naval vessals. Even Submarines..They were used for various reasons but boarding parties or shore duty such as obtaining fresh water on shore. Anytime a small party left the boat and needed arms. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-22-2012, 11:48 AM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	WOW! That many? How many crew were there? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-22-2012, 11:58 AM	#9
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Don't know, Jerry, they were pretty small boats. The 1st Torpedo Division based at Kiel, on the Baltic, was larger than the 2nd Division which was based at Wilhelmshaven, on the North Sea. Photos taken at Kiel are easily recognized by the distinctive brick facade of the barracks building. The top photo is from Wilhelmshaven, the bottom, from Kiel. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

06-22-2012, 08:08 AM	#2
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Nice indeed. But this kind of picture always get some high bids. It took me a few years to find one in an affordable range. Douglas

06-22-2012, 09:39 AM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Your right, Rich, this photo and others like it are a sort of graduation picture. They were taken on completion of what the Germans call infantry training and we call basic training. Torpedo men served on torpedo boats, of which there were several hundred in the Imperial German Navy. In addition to near suicidal attacks on larger more powerful vessels, they acted as the German equivalent of our Coast Guard. Regards, Norm

06-22-2012, 09:56 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The postcard sender was not particularly chatty!!

06-22-2012, 11:43 AM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Jerry, The Torpedo Divisions acted most of the time much as our Coast Guard does. They were constantly stopping and searching neutral vessels and they, more than any other branch of the service, were constantly sending out boarding parties. Despite the small size of these boats, they were allocated 30 P04s each, due to space restrictions no rifles could be carried. Regards, Norm

06-22-2012, 12:13 PM	#10
hansfischer007 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sunny Tennessee Posts: 233 Thanks: 509 Thanked 96 Times in 48 Posts	WW1 Machine Gun Photo Heres Just one of the many that I have been lucky to find....and Ive had these photo enlarged by a good friend of mine that runs a good copy shop......and if you look at the NCO ....maybe officer...not sure...standing on right side....he has the Machine Gunners patch on his left sleeve...he also has the Iron Cross 2nd...anyway...Good photo...Hans Fischer Attached Thumbnails

06-22-2012, 12:15 PM	#11
hansfischer007 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sunny Tennessee Posts: 233 Thanks: 509 Thanked 96 Times in 48 Posts	One More Machine Gun Photo Its hard to believe the youth of these guys manning this Maxim.....in one of the Battles in WW1....the Germans had over 1,000 Maxims in operation........Hans Fischer Attached Thumbnails

06-23-2012, 03:40 PM	#13
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Here's a Navy Luger photo that was offered by the same seller but he misidentified it as an artillery. Note the single cockade on the machinegunner's cap. They were most likely members of one of the two Naval divisions in Flanders. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...m=360462057717

06-23-2012, 03:50 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	George, Both the gunner and NCO are wearing Imperial Navy Pistol holsters. The OIC is also wearing a double magazine pouch. Cool photo! Rare I bet... __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-23-2012, 04:07 PM	#15
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi George, I was the winning bidder of this photo. What intrigued me apart from the Navy Type 1 altered holster and pouch on the officer's belt, is the fact that it's inscribed "Memories of 1914/15, Ernst" on the back. 1914/15 really? Best regards, Norm

06-23-2012, 04:34 PM	#16
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Norm, I would bet it was taken in 1917/18 and the notation on back acknowledges an early war friendship between the sender and recipient. One of the fellows in the photo is probably the sender.