1916 Navy Luger to my collection

skeeter4206 · 09-19-2013, 08:54 PM

My 1916 navy Luger. These navy Lugers sitting next to a 1900 looks really cool. looks like a beefy version of the 1900. I just want to go shoot it, but that is not going to happen being all matching.

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gunbugs · 09-19-2013, 11:31 PM

It was made for bullets to come out of the little hole in the end of the barrel! Go shoot it! Breathe some life into it!/

Ron Wood · 09-19-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gunbugs

It was made for bullets to come out of the little hole in the end of the barrel! Go shoot it! Breathe some life into it!/

Go ahead! And if a major part breaks you have breathed some death into it. There are shooters and collectors and they don't always have the same perspective. If your joy is shooting, go ahead, if your interest is preserving your investment and history, give it a second thought.

P.S. An all matching Navy doesn't grow on trees.

skeeter4206 · 09-20-2013, 12:06 AM

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P.S. An all matching Navy doesn't grow on trees.

My thoughts exactly! Don't know if it will seeing any ammo anytime soon. But who knows. I have enough other firearms I can just go shoot and enjoy.

Sergio Natali · 09-20-2013, 02:59 AM

Ron is right, there are two ways to look at the same thing.
As I've already said, as a "Luger fanatic" that I would never use a nice collectible gun, especially a rare matching Navy at the range; it's a matter of "respect" towards history.
I usually go to the range every week, where I shoot without problems at least 100/150 bullets (9x21 IMI or 40 S&W) every time but with a Glock, or at least not with a collectible.

Just my 22 cents.

skeeter4206 · 09-20-2013, 03:05 AM

Yeah i dont think there will a bullet down that barrel as long as i have it. And it does not look like many have. That bore is clean and shiny and for the rest of the insides.

Rick W. · 09-20-2013, 10:53 AM

Nice Lugers both of them...........

To me, my interests have changed over the years from collecting to other objects of desire, shooting Lugers and ZR1s.

Navy Lugers to me are a dime a dozen, no offense to the collector types, but the pistol below with the aperature rear sight stirs the blood.

Congrats on your new acquisition, hope it stirs the blood for you; that is what it is all about.

Rick

Arizona Slim · 09-20-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by skeeter4206

Yeah i dont think there will a bullet down that barrel as long as i have it. And it does not look like many have. That bore is clean and shiny and for the rest of the insides.

Good decision Glenn, as Ron said, "An all matching Navy doesn't grow on trees" My first Luger was an all matching Artillery with the exception of the rear sight, it shot beautifully, that is until about the tenth round when the receiver cracked. Needless to say I was heart broken as I had wanted a Luger for many years.

Lon

lugerholsterrepair · 09-20-2013, 03:17 PM

News flash! Imperial Navy Luger's are FAR from a dime a dozen..more like 5-8 grand a pop. Shooting ANY all matching Luger is a brainless thing to do. Much less a Navy. I would LOVE to collect all the stories..like LON above where people went out to shoot a Luger and lost thousands of dollars putting a few rounds down range.
Granted you MIGHT get away with it..but an all matching Navy is a thing to treasure..not shoot.
I have a mismatched Navy I shoot. I think I have a couple of grand in it but a broken part could be replaced. Even that would be bad but not like the end of the World. I think the last part I broke in that pistol was the flange on my toggle pin sheared off. These Navy large flange pins are so scarce I had to have one made. Not even a numbered part but it cost me 2-300 dollars to get one.
There are shooter pistols and collector pistols..anyone with a brain in their head and a sense of history wouldn't ever consider mixing up the two types.

John Sabato · 09-20-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick W.

Nice Lugers both of them...........

To me, my interests have changed over the years from collecting to other objects of desire, shooting Lugers and ZR1s.

Navy Lugers to me are a dime a dozen, no offense to the collector types, but the pistol below with the aperature rear sight stirs the blood.

Congrats on your new acquisition, hope it stirs the blood for you; that is what it is all about.

Rick

Hey Rick, I don't think they are really a dime a dozen... remember that most of the German Navy Lugers were not captured but probably ended up at the bottom of the sea... that makes the ones that survived a small group of finite numbers in comparison...

Rick W. · 09-20-2013, 04:31 PM

I reckon to me,............... they are indeed a dime a dozen. Whether they are to others or not, is really up to those folks. I am glad people have a sense of history, as it reminds us of our past, good and bad.

I just cannot place funny money on some iron and steel that high anymore, those folks that made up all of those, lost two wars and their people suffered greatly. With a last name like I got, kinda hits home still.

I know that a lot of this variation was lost, and not recovered. Does not do a lot for the storied mystique for me really.

The poster has a very nice pistol, really both of them from my point of view. The one with the aperature rear sight is the more interesting, after all these years of gun accumulating. I bet it shoots well, a good friend in Berlin did a pistol up like that and shot it on the same range as G. Luger was a previous member.

Value has context..................always will.

Hope you and yours are well up that way, John.

Rick

Ben M. · 09-20-2013, 04:32 PM

the udder gun in post 1 has a interesting addition to the rear sight. any chance we could see more of it?

ithacaartist · 09-20-2013, 04:42 PM

All my Lugers were bought as shooters; each one has an issue which eliminates it from the worries involved with its being a pure collectible. So, I have a "collection" of shooters. You can tinker with them,change barrels, install .22 conversion kits for shooting, put on some outrageous grips, etc.

I admire the collectors who make an investment and stick to it by not firing it. It takes fortitude NOT to shoot such a beautiful machine, which--by the way--was made to be shot! Now that I'm stocked up with a variety of variations to play with, I'll keep an eye open for a collectable one. Sadly, stuff like your Navy is out of reach for now, since I've, ahem, used up all my dough by buying shooters...

skeeter4206 · 09-20-2013, 05:24 PM

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the udder gun in post 1 has a interesting addition to the rear sight. any chance we could see more of it?

The one with the rear aperture site has a thread somewhere in the section for the 1900's. It was posted about a year ago I guess. It was my first one, a 1900 AE that was reblued. All parts were matching except the barrel which did not have a SN. I've shot it a few times, but it will not be shot again as its rear toggle has a small crack in one of the corners. So it just sits around now as a conversation piece. And I DAMN! sure am not going to do the navy luger that way and end up in the same boat. I got others guns I can go send lead down a range.

here's that link:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=28859

Rick W. · 09-20-2013, 06:33 PM

Thanks for the reference on the speciality sighted Luger. For me; as more a shooter type nowadays, it is food for thought. I have spare Lugers laying around, so perhaps the smallish dovetail cutter is the way to go for a sight like the one pictured.

Life is full of choices; hopefully some will use comprehensional skills and come to their own decisions. I do like to shoot the Luger especially in a wildcat form, but there is the collector world to experience too. Always thought there was room for both here and not the old my way or the hiway routine.

Interesting to me, and probably only to me, is that I can go to most gunplaces and place an order for a real or fake Navy. I have to really search for a artistan for the mod that you have already. Guess the old eye of the beholder thing.

Appreciate seeing the speciality Luger with the aperature sight.

Rick

nukem556 · 09-20-2013, 08:59 PM

I understand serious collectors getting queasy about shooting guns of this quality. But from a philosophical perspective, does it have any reality as a firearm if it NEVER fires again? It's purpose for existence no longer is......it's a lump of steel.

Should all P-51 Mustangs and Supermarine Spitfires never lift their wheels off the ground again?

p.s. Ron.........I've seen pics of you shooting a Borchardt! Maybe photoshopped? hehehe.......

Ron Wood · 09-20-2013, 10:08 PM

Not photoshopped...but it wasn't my Borchardt!

cirelaw · 09-21-2013, 09:46 AM

I admit I'm a 'luger virgin' ~~~Eric!

Arizona Slim · 09-21-2013, 11:19 AM

I admit I'm a 'luger virgin' ~~~Eric!

Eric, it sounds to me like it might be time to go on an Old Fashion Shopping Spree, the ladies do it, why not the men?

Lon

cirelaw · 09-21-2013, 11:34 AM

Only a virgin shooting one! I own 12 so far and making last payment on another! Very addictive!!

09-19-2013, 08:54 PM	#1
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	1916 Navy Luger to my collection My 1916 navy Luger. These navy Lugers sitting next to a 1900 looks really cool. looks like a beefy version of the 1900. I just want to go shoot it, but that is not going to happen being all matching.

09-20-2013, 02:59 AM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Ron is right, there are two ways to look at the same thing. As I've already said, as a "Luger fanatic" that I would never use a nice collectible gun, especially a rare matching Navy at the range; it's a matter of "respect" towards history. I usually go to the range every week, where I shoot without problems at least 100/150 bullets (9x21 IMI or 40 S&W) every time but with a Glock, or at least not with a collectible. Just my 22 cents. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

09-20-2013, 03:17 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	News flash! Imperial Navy Luger's are FAR from a dime a dozen..more like 5-8 grand a pop. Shooting ANY all matching Luger is a brainless thing to do. Much less a Navy. I would LOVE to collect all the stories..like LON above where people went out to shoot a Luger and lost thousands of dollars putting a few rounds down range. Granted you MIGHT get away with it..but an all matching Navy is a thing to treasure..not shoot. I have a mismatched Navy I shoot. I think I have a couple of grand in it but a broken part could be replaced. Even that would be bad but not like the end of the World. I think the last part I broke in that pistol was the flange on my toggle pin sheared off. These Navy large flange pins are so scarce I had to have one made. Not even a numbered part but it cost me 2-300 dollars to get one. There are shooter pistols and collector pistols..anyone with a brain in their head and a sense of history wouldn't ever consider mixing up the two types. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-20-2013, 04:42 PM	#13
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,283 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	All my Lugers were bought as shooters; each one has an issue which eliminates it from the worries involved with its being a pure collectible. So, I have a "collection" of shooters. You can tinker with them,change barrels, install .22 conversion kits for shooting, put on some outrageous grips, etc. I admire the collectors who make an investment and stick to it by not firing it. It takes fortitude NOT to shoot such a beautiful machine, which--by the way--was made to be shot! Now that I'm stocked up with a variety of variations to play with, I'll keep an eye open for a collectable one. Sadly, stuff like your Navy is out of reach for now, since I've, ahem, used up all my dough by buying shooters... __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

09-20-2013, 10:08 PM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Not photoshopped...but it wasn't my Borchardt! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-19-2013, 11:31 PM	#2
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 635 Thanks: 335 Thanked 1,139 Times in 377 Posts	It was made for bullets to come out of the little hole in the end of the barrel! Go shoot it! Breathe some life into it!/

09-20-2013, 03:05 AM	#6
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Yeah i dont think there will a bullet down that barrel as long as i have it. And it does not look like many have. That bore is clean and shiny and for the rest of the insides.

09-20-2013, 10:53 AM	#7
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	Nice Lugers both of them........... To me, my interests have changed over the years from collecting to other objects of desire, shooting Lugers and ZR1s. Navy Lugers to me are a dime a dozen, no offense to the collector types, but the pistol below with the aperature rear sight stirs the blood. Congrats on your new acquisition, hope it stirs the blood for you; that is what it is all about. Rick

09-20-2013, 04:31 PM	#11
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	I reckon to me,............... they are indeed a dime a dozen. Whether they are to others or not, is really up to those folks. I am glad people have a sense of history, as it reminds us of our past, good and bad. I just cannot place funny money on some iron and steel that high anymore, those folks that made up all of those, lost two wars and their people suffered greatly. With a last name like I got, kinda hits home still. I know that a lot of this variation was lost, and not recovered. Does not do a lot for the storied mystique for me really. The poster has a very nice pistol, really both of them from my point of view. The one with the aperature rear sight is the more interesting, after all these years of gun accumulating. I bet it shoots well, a good friend in Berlin did a pistol up like that and shot it on the same range as G. Luger was a previous member. Value has context..................always will. Hope you and yours are well up that way, John. Rick

09-20-2013, 04:32 PM	#12
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 474 Thanks: 82 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	the udder gun in post 1 has a interesting addition to the rear sight. any chance we could see more of it?

09-20-2013, 06:33 PM	#15
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	Thanks for the reference on the speciality sighted Luger. For me; as more a shooter type nowadays, it is food for thought. I have spare Lugers laying around, so perhaps the smallish dovetail cutter is the way to go for a sight like the one pictured. Life is full of choices; hopefully some will use comprehensional skills and come to their own decisions. I do like to shoot the Luger especially in a wildcat form, but there is the collector world to experience too. Always thought there was room for both here and not the old my way or the hiway routine. Interesting to me, and probably only to me, is that I can go to most gunplaces and place an order for a real or fake Navy. I have to really search for a artistan for the mod that you have already. Guess the old eye of the beholder thing. Appreciate seeing the speciality Luger with the aperature sight. Rick

09-20-2013, 08:59 PM	#16
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	I understand serious collectors getting queasy about shooting guns of this quality. But from a philosophical perspective, does it have any reality as a firearm if it NEVER fires again? It's purpose for existence no longer is......it's a lump of steel. Should all P-51 Mustangs and Supermarine Spitfires never lift their wheels off the ground again? p.s. Ron.........I've seen pics of you shooting a Borchardt! Maybe photoshopped? hehehe.......

09-21-2013, 09:46 AM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I admit I'm a 'luger virgin' ~~~Eric!

09-21-2013, 11:19 AM	#19
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	I admit I'm a 'luger virgin' ~~~Eric! Eric, it sounds to me like it might be time to go on an Old Fashion Shopping Spree, the ladies do it, why not the men? Lon

09-21-2013, 11:34 AM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Only a virgin shooting one! I own 12 so far and making last payment on another! Very addictive!!