$4000 hand made Broomhandle - Page 2

alvin · 07-31-2009, 07:44 PM

Phil -- Could you help to id an ammo box, is this pre WWII, or post WWII? Thanks.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...Item=134589605

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Postie -- I don't collect Astra (at this moment). So.... no idea. Sorry.

PhilOhio · 08-01-2009, 11:40 AM

Alvin,

That's a bit out of my area of knowledge. At maximum zoom, I still could not clearly read the head markings on a single round. And I know nothing about how F.N. marked their boxes during different eras. I could not honestly offer even a good guess, other than it looks old.

It's unusual that the seller gives absolutely no description of what he is selling, but says that the "winner" of this auction can buy up to three boxes. So I doubt that they are particularly rare, imagine he has a good supply, and regard this as one of those deals which is probably not a bona fide auction at all; good way to move some older surplus ammo. An open box of it might look good in a photo of an old pistol.

If it were rare, I think the seller would describe it and provide in-focus pictures which would allow the buyer to clearly understand what he is "bidding" on. Some people will go for anything on the net.

I'm sure somebody here can give you a better answer.

Watch out for dark and/or out-of-focus pictures of anything offered on the Internet.

alvin · 08-01-2009, 09:41 PM

I ordered a box from him. The box is even simpler than the picture. Just three lines in a square

+-------------------------------+
|
| 25
|
| Cartouches
|
| MAUSER 7,63
|
+-------------------------------+

No "FN" on box. But the box does not look like those boxes holding reload that I've seen.

I have not opened it yet. Just a few bucks, I will open it tommorrow to fulfill my curiosity. Will post a pix after battery charging.

sheepherder · 08-01-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin

I ordered a box from him...I have not opened it yet...I will open it tommorrow...

You got it already??? From Pennsylvania USA to Madagascar???

That's some quick shipping...

Went Blakely · 08-02-2009, 10:01 AM

An amazing piece! I agree the details are a little off but just boggles the mind what some of these guys are cranking out of their own home/shop! Even the tooling and crafstmanship alone is incredible, being a metalworker myself, i can really appreciate all the effort

PhilOhio · 08-02-2009, 10:34 AM

W.B.,

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Whatever it is, it looks original and authentic and old. I don't think somebody "faked" it in his workshop, and these don't look like reloads. I just don't know what it is or when it was made. But I imagine it came from F.N., as marked...sometime or other. But then, who knows?

sheepherder · 08-02-2009, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilOhio

W.B.,

I'm not sure what you are trying to say...

Phil -

He's talking about the $4000 Mauser...You know...the original topic...

alvin · 08-02-2009, 04:13 PM

Sorry for the delay. Spent some time looking at Simpson's newly listed Cone Hammers. Looking for an appropriate CH with matching stock, .....

Regarding the hand made, I agree 100% it's great. You guys playing metal machines at home knew how hard it is to create one. I am thinking about creating a wood one at home if possible. Hard.

The ammo.... please take a look. Thanks for joining discussion!

PhilOhio · 08-03-2009, 12:54 PM

Postino,

My brain got tangled up.

Alvin,

Great pics of the case heads. At this point, can you determine the exact vintage?

alvin · 08-03-2009, 05:44 PM

I hope I knew. Looks like being FN no doubt, but I could not identify the year. Some FN cartridges have two digits on the head telling the year ... F N 70, F N 57. Not sure that's a post WWII practice or not, 1957 and 1970?

But what's F N * ?

PhilOhio · 08-03-2009, 07:13 PM

That's what I was wondering...just when they started putting on year digits.

sheepherder · 08-03-2009, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilOhio

Postino,

My brain got tangled up.

With me, it's my memory...My doctor explained it to me once...It's like when you're born, your memory is like a chamber pot, empty at first, then filling up as you get older...Along about 50 or so, it starts overflowing, and all that crap that flows over is lost forever...but it's mostly recent stuff, and you can still remember what happened back in Gym Class in High School even if you can't recall what you had for dinner yesterday...

alvin · 08-03-2009, 09:56 PM

Here is a "40" on a 1940 FN 8x57 AP. The following page has quite a few headstamps, including some FN ones, but I did not see the combination of FN and *

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/vie...p?f=134&t=5807

08-02-2009, 10:01 AM	#25
Went Blakely User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 231 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	An amazing piece! I agree the details are a little off but just boggles the mind what some of these guys are cranking out of their own home/shop! Even the tooling and crafstmanship alone is incredible, being a metalworker myself, i can really appreciate all the effort __________________ Went Blakely

08-02-2009, 04:13 PM	#28
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Sorry for the delay. Spent some time looking at Simpson's newly listed Cone Hammers. Looking for an appropriate CH with matching stock, ..... Regarding the hand made, I agree 100% it's great. You guys playing metal machines at home knew how hard it is to create one. I am thinking about creating a wood one at home if possible. Hard. The ammo.... please take a look. Thanks for joining discussion! Attached Thumbnails

07-31-2009, 07:44 PM	#21
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Phil -- Could you help to id an ammo box, is this pre WWII, or post WWII? Thanks. http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...Item=134589605 ==== Postie -- I don't collect Astra (at this moment). So.... no idea. Sorry.

08-01-2009, 11:40 AM	#22
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Alvin, That's a bit out of my area of knowledge. At maximum zoom, I still could not clearly read the head markings on a single round. And I know nothing about how F.N. marked their boxes during different eras. I could not honestly offer even a good guess, other than it looks old. It's unusual that the seller gives absolutely no description of what he is selling, but says that the "winner" of this auction can buy up to three boxes. So I doubt that they are particularly rare, imagine he has a good supply, and regard this as one of those deals which is probably not a bona fide auction at all; good way to move some older surplus ammo. An open box of it might look good in a photo of an old pistol. If it were rare, I think the seller would describe it and provide in-focus pictures which would allow the buyer to clearly understand what he is "bidding" on. Some people will go for anything on the net. I'm sure somebody here can give you a better answer. Watch out for dark and/or out-of-focus pictures of anything offered on the Internet.

08-01-2009, 09:41 PM	#23
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I ordered a box from him. The box is even simpler than the picture. Just three lines in a square +-------------------------------+ \| \| 25 \| \| Cartouches \| \| MAUSER 7,63 \| +-------------------------------+ No "FN" on box. But the box does not look like those boxes holding reload that I've seen. I have not opened it yet. Just a few bucks, I will open it tommorrow to fulfill my curiosity. Will post a pix after battery charging.

08-02-2009, 10:34 AM	#26
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	W.B., I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Whatever it is, it looks original and authentic and old. I don't think somebody "faked" it in his workshop, and these don't look like reloads. I just don't know what it is or when it was made. But I imagine it came from F.N., as marked...sometime or other. But then, who knows?

08-03-2009, 12:54 PM	#29
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Postino, My brain got tangled up. Alvin, Great pics of the case heads. At this point, can you determine the exact vintage?

08-03-2009, 05:44 PM	#30
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I hope I knew. Looks like being FN no doubt, but I could not identify the year. Some FN cartridges have two digits on the head telling the year ... F N 70, F N 57. Not sure that's a post WWII practice or not, 1957 and 1970? But what's F N * ?

08-03-2009, 07:13 PM	#31
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	That's what I was wondering...just when they started putting on year digits.

08-03-2009, 09:56 PM	#33
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Here is a "40" on a 1940 FN 8x57 AP. The following page has quite a few headstamps, including some FN ones, but I did not see the combination of FN and * http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/vie...p?f=134&t=5807