Llama Model I Nazi commercial

Ron Smith · 12-09-2006, 10:58 AM

I just aquired this recently. Kind of a sleeper that alot of people aren't aware of.

A Llama Model I in 7.65 mm contracted by Genchow and stamped "Geco". It is believed that they ordered 1000 of these for sale to political organizations and Military officers. It was also thought that the serial range on these was 60,000 to 75,000. This one changes that thought. Serial number 76260.

Very neat little pistols, very similar in looks and function to a 1911 .45.

Marked with 1944 production code.

Shown here with unmarked commercial holster. The two smudges on the slide are rough spots that look very much like they were left by bloody fingerprints, but there again. The old blood pitting sales pitch comes into play. Who knows...

Ron

Augsburger · 12-09-2006, 12:00 PM

Ron...very nice. Have you shot the gun yet? Would be interested in knowing how it shoots..... i.e. 1911 design in 7.65 mm. Also, what is the size of the gun in comparison to a 1911?

Brent B. · 12-09-2006, 12:31 PM

Ron: You always seem to find the nice ones. I'd also be interested to know the size comparison to a 1911. Brent

Ron Wood · 12-09-2006, 01:26 PM

Neat find Ron. I used to own a Llama Model II in .380 (not military). Sweet little gun. Wish I still had it. Your gun is pretty darn scarce...you do find some goodies.

Ron Smith · 12-09-2006, 01:26 PM

I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but I hope I can get out this weekend and run a few through it.

Here it is next to a Remington Rand that I bought from the widow of a retired Marine MSGT. He had it worked over for unit level matches. Probably the most accurate 1911 out of the 10 or 15 that I have owned over the years.

Ron

Augsburger · 12-09-2006, 05:20 PM

Thanks for the pic Ron...add that to my list of what to watch for!! Let us know how it shoots....

Aaron · 12-10-2006, 12:20 PM

Ron, yours appears to be 1944 production as signified by the little cross over the letter "O". I picked mine up a week ago, serial number 74859, also 1944 production. Shooting it never crossed my mind, but I expect you will encounter no problems when you test fire it.

Ron Smith · 12-10-2006, 01:29 PM

Hi Aaron,

Yes it is a 1944 production. I would be interested if anyone has one with a higher serial number.

Ron

Augsburger · 12-10-2006, 02:17 PM

Here's one on Guns America...they say it's made in '45. Tough to see nr. in pic.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976565632.htm

your's looks nicer Ron.....

Aaron · 12-12-2006, 10:18 PM

Very probably a post war example. It certainly isn't Geco marked, so it is of no interest to military collectors.

fg42 · 12-14-2006, 11:16 AM

I have always liked the small Llama's, as they are the same size as the Hubbly 45 cap gun I used in the cops and robbers wars of my childhood. The small Llamas in 32 & 380 shot fine, but I never hade a 22 that functioned reliably. Bob Benson

12-09-2006, 10:58 AM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Llama Model I Nazi commercial I just aquired this recently. Kind of a sleeper that alot of people aren't aware of. A Llama Model I in 7.65 mm contracted by Genchow and stamped "Geco". It is believed that they ordered 1000 of these for sale to political organizations and Military officers. It was also thought that the serial range on these was 60,000 to 75,000. This one changes that thought. Serial number 76260. Very neat little pistols, very similar in looks and function to a 1911 .45. Marked with 1944 production code. Shown here with unmarked commercial holster. The two smudges on the slide are rough spots that look very much like they were left by bloody fingerprints, but there again. The old blood pitting sales pitch comes into play. Who knows... Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

12-09-2006, 12:00 PM	#2
Augsburger User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tejas Posts: 160 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 5 Posts	Ron...very nice. Have you shot the gun yet? Would be interested in knowing how it shoots..... i.e. 1911 design in 7.65 mm. Also, what is the size of the gun in comparison to a 1911? __________________ Wilder Eber

12-09-2006, 01:26 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Neat find Ron. I used to own a Llama Model II in .380 (not military). Sweet little gun. Wish I still had it. Your gun is pretty darn scarce...you do find some goodies. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-09-2006, 01:26 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but I hope I can get out this weekend and run a few through it. Here it is next to a Remington Rand that I bought from the widow of a retired Marine MSGT. He had it worked over for unit level matches. Probably the most accurate 1911 out of the 10 or 15 that I have owned over the years. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

12-09-2006, 05:20 PM	#6
Augsburger User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tejas Posts: 160 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 5 Posts	Thanks for the pic Ron...add that to my list of what to watch for!! Let us know how it shoots.... __________________ Wilder Eber

12-09-2006, 12:31 PM	#3
Brent B. User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 176 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron: You always seem to find the nice ones. I'd also be interested to know the size comparison to a 1911. Brent

12-10-2006, 12:20 PM	#7
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Ron, yours appears to be 1944 production as signified by the little cross over the letter "O". I picked mine up a week ago, serial number 74859, also 1944 production. Shooting it never crossed my mind, but I expect you will encounter no problems when you test fire it.

12-10-2006, 01:29 PM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Aaron, Yes it is a 1944 production. I would be interested if anyone has one with a higher serial number. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

12-10-2006, 02:17 PM	#9
Augsburger User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tejas Posts: 160 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 5 Posts	higher sn???? Here's one on Guns America...they say it's made in '45. Tough to see nr. in pic. http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976565632.htm your's looks nicer Ron..... __________________ Wilder Eber

12-12-2006, 10:18 PM	#10
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Very probably a post war example. It certainly isn't Geco marked, so it is of no interest to military collectors.

12-14-2006, 11:16 AM	#11
fg42 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have always liked the small Llama's, as they are the same size as the Hubbly 45 cap gun I used in the cops and robbers wars of my childhood. The small Llamas in 32 & 380 shot fine, but I never hade a 22 that functioned reliably. Bob Benson