"Cugir" Rifle - Page 2

sheepherder · 11-09-2013, 09:18 AM

Looking at your pics, I would think you could make a better retaining spring out of 3/64" music wire that has the same basic shape but goes over the hammer pin and under the trigger pin (opposite what that spring does). The coil on the safety/selector lever would still anchor the spring. Maybe make the hammer tang point down instead of up (or just eliminate it).

The idea of a 'plate' interests me.

I had a side scope mount for one of my AKs that used screws instead of pins. I don't recall how that worked.

It was drilled & tapped for the third pin/screw.

alvin · 11-09-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by postino

The idea of a 'plate' interests me.

Not sure who invented this plate. AK fans' comments on it was impressive, "it's a leap forward improvement for AK rifle". I guess it's invented by an American gunsmith trying to solve this issue from the root. But not sure. I heard a high-end Russian made commercial semi-auto AK (V.... something, I forgot the model name) now has this type of plate in place. It's a simple invention solving big problem.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/685...er-plate-ak-47

sheepherder · 11-09-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by alvin

Not sure who invented this plate...It's a simple invention solving big problem.

Wow...

Neither of these is what I expected...

Edit: Second pic is motorcycle/conveyer/garbage truck master link. Top piece is the clip, which is what I envisioned for a proper AK pin retainer...Two of these could be used to hold AK pins...

sheepherder · 11-09-2013, 10:44 PM

I don't follow the AK scene much anymore...But I would like to get a 4-piece laminated wood set...Do any of you AK guys know of a site that sells the laminates???

alvin · 11-10-2013, 06:31 AM

You can try this site, they carry TAPCO AK furniture:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=762793

alvin · 11-12-2013, 05:32 PM

Plate arrived. It works, but it's a little bit loose. I bent its back end more, so it also performs like a flat spring compressed a little bit by the safety pin, then the loosing issue disappeared

skeeter4206 · 11-12-2013, 07:13 PM

I have an old WASR that I have shot quite a bit. I find that one of the issues with these stamped style receivers is the wear on the rails where the bolt rides. Mine still shots great, but the bolt has a little bit of play when sitting on the rails made to hold the bolt. You can see obvious wear along that rail. Ive had it for a while now and shot a butt load of rounds through that AK. Never once had a jamming issue or problem with it shooting. They are fun guns to shot, but you can tell they are cheap made. I still love the gun though. I wouldn't trade it in for just anything. Well... I can think of some things I would trade it for. Something a little bit more collectable.

sheepherder · 11-13-2013, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin

You can try this site, they carry TAPCO AK furniture:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=762793

Thanks for the link! I looked at those, but thought the price was rather high...But they also had -

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/c....aspx?a=860920

Which looks the same to me but without Tapco's name...Anyway, I ordered a set...I'll post pics when they get here...

BTW: Both sets look varnished...Original AK stocks had no finish on them...Just bare plywood...

alvin · 11-14-2013, 07:14 AM

I am interested in the thick lower handguard.

Cugir WASR was originally made as a 10-shot rifle with narrow opening under the receiver for single-column magazine. If loading 10 rounds, firing them, loading another 10 rounds into the magazine, that takes time, so the barrel cools a little bit.... that thin lower handguard is OK.

Century Arms reworked the rifle to accept 30-round double column magazine, but they did not change the lower handguard. After firing 60-70 rounds, operator would feel the heat penetrating from the thin wood. It's very uncomfortable to hold the damned thing firmly after shooting 100 rounds.

Ordered a cleaning rod from internet. Not useful, but without it, I always feel this rifle misses something

sheepherder · 11-14-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by alvin

Ordered a cleaning rod from internet. Not useful, but without it, I always feel this rifle misses something

Rod isn't useful unless buttstock 'cleaning kit' is ordered as well.

alvin · 11-16-2013, 01:16 PM

The rod is supposed to be delivered today. But I have not seen the little white truck coming yet....

Bought a copy of Chivers' book "THE GUN". He had a colorful description on 1947 AK trial in Russia:

At NIPSMVO, the loaded rifles were submerged for long periods in swamp water, then expected to fire. Then came the "sand bath", with each rifle dragged through ash, broken bricks, and fine sand -- first by the barrel, then by the stock -- until the rifles were filthy and every opening in the weapon was clogged. "After that, without any sort of cleaning.... they were fired," Kalashnikov said. Again uncertainties stalked the designer. "Despite myself, I began to doubt that further shooting would proceed without failures," he wrote. Zaitsev consoled him. The prototype fired almost flawlessly. "Look, look," Zaitsev said, during one course of fire. "The sand is flying in all directions, like a dog shaking off water -- look".....

Tests continued until January 11, 1948. The result were presented to a thirteen-member technical and scientific commission, which decided Kalashnikov's avtomat most closely fulfilled the requirements of the 1945 order. Mikhail Kalashnikov's submission had won. It was not without flaws, and needed much follow-on work, which would be assigned to other engineers. But it was an acceptable descendant of the sturmgewehr.

sheepherder · 11-16-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin

The rod is supposed to be delivered today. But I have not seen the little white truck coming yet...

My Sportsman's AK stock set was delivered today...By Fed-Ex...

(It appears that instead of leaving it at my door, or my side gate, they just threw it over the fence...)

Anyway, pics below, shown compared with my other fixed-stock AK...Both with rods, which need the cross-tool from the 'cleaning kit' to poke through the big end of the rod for use as a 'handle'...

The Sportsman's 4-piece set doesn't look too bad; varnished, but Metric plies, so probably Romanian like my two parts kits...3 of the 4 pieces slid/screwed right on, the lower handguard was too long and needed a lot of trimming...

Buttstock only has 12 3/4" length of pull...I like a longer buttstock, as well as one wider/taller...

Definitely not military issue...Wish it was; I like battered furniture...

Haven't decided if I'll strip the finish off...The varnish is actually well done, no runs, no sags...

Much better looking than the ugly brownish-purple plastic furniture the Romanian parts kits came with...

alvin · 11-16-2013, 05:52 PM

Your new stock looks very cool.

My rod did not arrive today. A little bit panic on USPS Tracking -- it indicates "Delivered". Needless to say, they delivered to wrong address

Have to wait a few days to see any neighbor got it or not....

11-09-2013, 09:18 AM	#21
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Looking at your pics, I would think you could make a better retaining spring out of 3/64" music wire that has the same basic shape but goes over the hammer pin and under the trigger pin (opposite what that spring does). The coil on the safety/selector lever would still anchor the spring. Maybe make the hammer tang point down instead of up (or just eliminate it). The idea of a 'plate' interests me. I had a side scope mount for one of my AKs that used screws instead of pins. I don't recall how that worked. It was drilled & tapped for the third pin/screw. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

11-09-2013, 10:44 PM	#24
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	I don't follow the AK scene much anymore...But I would like to get a 4-piece laminated wood set...Do any of you AK guys know of a site that sells the laminates??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

11-12-2013, 05:32 PM	#26
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Plate arrived. It works, but it's a little bit loose. I bent its back end more, so it also performs like a flat spring compressed a little bit by the safety pin, then the loosing issue disappeared Attached Thumbnails

11-10-2013, 06:31 AM	#25
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	You can try this site, they carry TAPCO AK furniture: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=762793

11-12-2013, 07:13 PM	#27
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	I have an old WASR that I have shot quite a bit. I find that one of the issues with these stamped style receivers is the wear on the rails where the bolt rides. Mine still shots great, but the bolt has a little bit of play when sitting on the rails made to hold the bolt. You can see obvious wear along that rail. Ive had it for a while now and shot a butt load of rounds through that AK. Never once had a jamming issue or problem with it shooting. They are fun guns to shot, but you can tell they are cheap made. I still love the gun though. I wouldn't trade it in for just anything. Well... I can think of some things I would trade it for. Something a little bit more collectable.

11-14-2013, 07:14 AM	#29
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I am interested in the thick lower handguard. Cugir WASR was originally made as a 10-shot rifle with narrow opening under the receiver for single-column magazine. If loading 10 rounds, firing them, loading another 10 rounds into the magazine, that takes time, so the barrel cools a little bit.... that thin lower handguard is OK. Century Arms reworked the rifle to accept 30-round double column magazine, but they did not change the lower handguard. After firing 60-70 rounds, operator would feel the heat penetrating from the thin wood. It's very uncomfortable to hold the damned thing firmly after shooting 100 rounds. Ordered a cleaning rod from internet. Not useful, but without it, I always feel this rifle misses something

11-16-2013, 01:16 PM	#31
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The rod is supposed to be delivered today. But I have not seen the little white truck coming yet.... Bought a copy of Chivers' book "THE GUN". He had a colorful description on 1947 AK trial in Russia: At NIPSMVO, the loaded rifles were submerged for long periods in swamp water, then expected to fire. Then came the "sand bath", with each rifle dragged through ash, broken bricks, and fine sand -- first by the barrel, then by the stock -- until the rifles were filthy and every opening in the weapon was clogged. "After that, without any sort of cleaning.... they were fired," Kalashnikov said. Again uncertainties stalked the designer. "Despite myself, I began to doubt that further shooting would proceed without failures," he wrote. Zaitsev consoled him. The prototype fired almost flawlessly. "Look, look," Zaitsev said, during one course of fire. "The sand is flying in all directions, like a dog shaking off water -- look"..... Tests continued until January 11, 1948. The result were presented to a thirteen-member technical and scientific commission, which decided Kalashnikov's avtomat most closely fulfilled the requirements of the 1945 order. Mikhail Kalashnikov's submission had won. It was not without flaws, and needed much follow-on work, which would be assigned to other engineers. But it was an acceptable descendant of the sturmgewehr.

11-16-2013, 05:52 PM	#33
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Your new stock looks very cool. My rod did not arrive today. A little bit panic on USPS Tracking -- it indicates "Delivered". Needless to say, they delivered to wrong address Have to wait a few days to see any neighbor got it or not....