1916 Erfurt

Mark A · 10-22-2002, 08:05 PM

I see in a gunshop a 1916 all matching except barrel and reciever. Original barrel and reciever are included but the barrel has been cut to about three inches! Includes wooden stock, mag pouch and three mags. The blue is 90+, straw mostly gone, grips are very good. I want one for a shooter. Is this gun worth $800?

Doubs · 10-22-2002, 10:54 PM

Mark, IF the stock is an original Artillery or Naval stock in very good or better condition AND the sear bar and ejector are still on the original receiver, I'd say yes. However, I'd still try to work a better deal because even with a new barrel on the original receiver, it's still just a shooter.

Also - and this is very important - unless the upper is an Artillery or Navy of the proper barrel length, attaching the stock is illegal. Even so, only an Artillery stock may be attached to an Artillery model and only a Navy stock is allowed on a Navy Luger. If it's a 1916 Erfurt, it's neither Artillery nor Navy. Only DWM made them in that year.

Mark A · 10-23-2002, 10:27 PM

Doubs, Here's the Bird's Eye Lowdown: I was wrong. The pistol is DWM, the stock is repro. Two magazines are plain metal with wooden bottoms nonmatching serial numbers, single pin holding bottoms.

Edward Tinker · 10-23-2002, 10:40 PM

So, then $800 is waaay to much! A repro stock can go for $25 and up (I bought one off of e-bay for that), and the extra magazines are less than $20 - $25 each. So, for a shooter, that isn't a very good buy, as you see shooters all the time for less than that and in fact, there are a number for sale for less than that on this forum in the For Sale section.

Mark A · 10-24-2002, 12:12 AM

Well I looked and couldn't find any artilleries here or anywhere else for less than $995. I don't want something I'm afraid to shoot. I live in Denver which is at the bottom of the hill east of Bailey, I think the hunting must be better in other parts.

Edward Tinker · 10-24-2002, 09:55 AM

Sorry Mark, maybe I was being dense, a Artillery, even a shooter would go for 800 and the price isn't bad from what I have seen either, if the barrel was still there. So, I think the price is high for a cut down arty, although you could always put a longer barrel on a shooter or this frame??

I have a Russian import with a new 6 inch barrel and she shoots really nice. So if you are looking for an original, then yes, it will cost more than 800 I think for even a shooter, but if you are looking for a shooter, I'd put a longer barrel on a receiver and have some fun.

Mark A · 10-24-2002, 11:41 PM

Ah Friend! The density would seem to be all mine. I type my minimalist prose (with one finger)and sometimes don't pay attention to what I'm not saying. The pistol has a 1916 artillery barrel on it, wrong serial number. The original barrel is included but has been truncated. The original reciever is attached to the cut barrel. I apologize for the confusion. I must add that my wife figured out which store had this thing and snuck over there and bought the gun & all for my birthday! She got it for $750. Ya gotta love 'em.

Dwight Gruber · 10-25-2002, 02:17 AM

And a very happy birthday to you indeed [img]cool.gif[/img]

--Dwight

John Sabato · 10-25-2002, 10:26 AM

Does the truncated barrel still have an artillery type rear site attached? or was that transferred to the replacement barrel?

Edward Tinker · 10-25-2002, 10:52 AM

So, it s adone deal.

Great deal, wonderful gift.

(only way to ever look at a gift like this [img]wink.gif[/img] )

so, cool, now just find a 8 inch barrel and have her put on!.

Ed

Mark A · 10-25-2002, 09:16 PM

John, the sight has been transferred. Edward, the replacement barrel is bonafide artillery. The birthday is happy and the Wife has a cheerful and willing servant for the forseeable future.

Big Norm · 10-26-2002, 04:29 PM

Mark,
your wife is worth a million $$$. She is definately a keeper. I have heard on more than one occasion about a wife trying to do the right thing only to have it backfire. But you gotta love em. I'd keep the gun just for that alone. Happy Birthday!
Big Norm

10-22-2002, 08:05 PM	#1
Mark A User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1916 Erfurt I see in a gunshop a 1916 all matching except barrel and reciever. Original barrel and reciever are included but the barrel has been cut to about three inches! Includes wooden stock, mag pouch and three mags. The blue is 90+, straw mostly gone, grips are very good. I want one for a shooter. Is this gun worth $800? __________________ Mark

10-23-2002, 10:27 PM	#3
Mark A User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Doubs, Here's the Bird's Eye Lowdown: I was wrong. The pistol is DWM, the stock is repro. Two magazines are plain metal with wooden bottoms nonmatching serial numbers, single pin holding bottoms. __________________ Mark

10-23-2002, 10:40 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	So, then $800 is waaay to much! A repro stock can go for $25 and up (I bought one off of e-bay for that), and the extra magazines are less than $20 - $25 each. So, for a shooter, that isn't a very good buy, as you see shooters all the time for less than that and in fact, there are a number for sale for less than that on this forum in the For Sale section. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-24-2002, 12:12 AM	#5
Mark A User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well I looked and couldn't find any artilleries here or anywhere else for less than $995. I don't want something I'm afraid to shoot. I live in Denver which is at the bottom of the hill east of Bailey, I think the hunting must be better in other parts. __________________ Mark

10-24-2002, 09:55 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Sorry Mark, maybe I was being dense, a Artillery, even a shooter would go for 800 and the price isn't bad from what I have seen either, if the barrel was still there. So, I think the price is high for a cut down arty, although you could always put a longer barrel on a shooter or this frame?? I have a Russian import with a new 6 inch barrel and she shoots really nice. So if you are looking for an original, then yes, it will cost more than 800 I think for even a shooter, but if you are looking for a shooter, I'd put a longer barrel on a receiver and have some fun. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-22-2002, 10:54 PM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	Mark, IF the stock is an original Artillery or Naval stock in very good or better condition AND the sear bar and ejector are still on the original receiver, I'd say yes. However, I'd still try to work a better deal because even with a new barrel on the original receiver, it's still just a shooter. Also - and this is very important - unless the upper is an Artillery or Navy of the proper barrel length, attaching the stock is illegal. Even so, only an Artillery stock may be attached to an Artillery model and only a Navy stock is allowed on a Navy Luger. If it's a 1916 Erfurt, it's neither Artillery nor Navy. Only DWM made them in that year.

10-24-2002, 11:41 PM	#7
Mark A User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ah Friend! The density would seem to be all mine. I type my minimalist prose (with one finger)and sometimes don't pay attention to what I'm not saying. The pistol has a 1916 artillery barrel on it, wrong serial number. The original barrel is included but has been truncated. The original reciever is attached to the cut barrel. I apologize for the confusion. I must add that my wife figured out which store had this thing and snuck over there and bought the gun & all for my birthday! She got it for $750. Ya gotta love 'em. __________________ Mark

10-25-2002, 02:17 AM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	And a very happy birthday to you indeed [img]cool.gif[/img] --Dwight

10-25-2002, 10:26 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Does the truncated barrel still have an artillery type rear site attached? or was that transferred to the replacement barrel? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-25-2002, 10:52 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	So, it s adone deal. Great deal, wonderful gift. (only way to ever look at a gift like this [img]wink.gif[/img] ) so, cool, now just find a 8 inch barrel and have her put on!. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-25-2002, 09:16 PM	#11
Mark A User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John, the sight has been transferred. Edward, the replacement barrel is bonafide artillery. The birthday is happy and the Wife has a cheerful and willing servant for the forseeable future. __________________ Mark

10-26-2002, 04:29 PM	#12
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Mark, your wife is worth a million $$$. She is definately a keeper. I have heard on more than one occasion about a wife trying to do the right thing only to have it backfire. But you gotta love em. I'd keep the gun just for that alone. Happy Birthday! Big Norm