OT:Hitler P38

MarkC · 09-13-2002, 07:38 PM

I know it is totally OT but you guys must see what is going on at the P38 Forum:

http://gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=5319218

Go to the P38 Forum and see the discussion:

http://p38forum.com

WOW !

lugerholsterrepair · 09-13-2002, 09:35 PM

MarkC , VERY INTERESTING!!! Jerry Burney

hermit · 09-13-2002, 10:20 PM

Just curious; if the entire gun is nickel would that place a different spin on things? I have never seen, much less held one of these pistols. I don't think it has a chance in H3ll of being authentic, but he states that it isn't plated. [img]confused.gif[/img]

MarkC · 09-13-2002, 11:49 PM

Please read the entire post on the p38 Forum http://www.p38forum.com ......entitled.....

Here we go again! ;-) Ach mein Gott!

..........

I think Orv nailed this one, also I sent a private e mail to the seller indicating that Warren Buxton and Jan Still have never mentioned a "Hitler" presentation pistol in their books. No responce..... Hey, how many plated P-08's are there that qualify as "Hitler" presentation pistols???

Let's get on this guy since the gun has no documentation and it is not even engraved !!! A very commen AC44 with a story from the vet who plated it.............. come on guys, we always joke about these guns and now you have a live one!!!

Geez...................

Stu · 09-14-2002, 11:16 AM

I contacted the seller and this is the response I got, (as posted on the P38 forum);

because of the number of responses, i am forced to
write one blanket message rather than the personal
note i would like to send each of you.

the 12 guns given to ss officers has been documented
to some degree, however, none of these guns will come
with specific paperwork identifying as to which
officer actually owned which weapon.

there is an individual living in sweden known to own 5
of these guns, and i have yet to be contacted by him.

this weapon has been in the family for 25 years. we
are not gun brokers nor collectors. a close friend of
the family bought the gun from a retired army captain
around 1953(it was his job to make sure that all the
german officers were disarmed during the surrender of
their troops). the captain said that jodl was furious
because it was "a gift from the fuhrer". he brought
the gun home to illinois after the war.

you won't find another p38 of this quality, not for
this price! do some research...but do it
quickly...this gun has opened some eyes!

thank you for your interest,

Subsequently I recieved this, unsolicited;

i have no paperwork...that does not equal fake.

i am going on what i have been told. i have seen the
gun, none of these other people have. i would like
some proof that it is a fake. the serial number is
'8636c ac44'. if someone can prove to me that the
preceeding and succeeding numbered guns are just
normal, run-of-the-mill p38's i will listen. the
story i'm hearing is that you will find 11 more guns
made of nickel contracted by hitler.

if it was fake, i wonder if the gun would be dipped in
nickel or chromed or what? this gun has engravings
that are etched into the surface (like all p38's), and
it is that same nickel all the way thru, not just on
the surface.

many people have written to me saying that it is a
fake, so i don't take it personally. i know the gun
is for real.

thank you,

I wonder if this person offers a inspection and return policy ?

Someone bid $5100 on it. Is there any way to find out if the bid ID is related to the seller ID ?

AGE · 09-14-2002, 01:54 PM

Plain nickel is too soft for gun parts. Stainless steel with lots of chrome and nickel is another story?? However not likely before Hitler's death.

Edward Tinker · 09-14-2002, 04:49 PM

Who knows who the bidder is? Might very well be the seller or someone the seller knows. Or simply because it hasn't met reserve shows that the bid may or may not be serious.

George Anderson · 09-14-2002, 07:20 PM

I saw the 12th in the very limited Hitler procurment today at a pawn shop in Lenoir, NC. The price was $499. It was an AC42.

unspellable · 09-14-2002, 08:16 PM

The above mentioned pistol aside, nickle plating is noted for being quite durable. It's not supposed to be Hard enough to make a pistol out of? How about some alloy of nickle? I'm not saying such a thing would be in any way practical, just that it might be possible to do.

As for the pistol that is the subject of this thread, I would think that if there really were a set of twleve such pistols, they would have had special serial numbers or some other distinguishing marks. They'd be prime candidates for engraving.

hermit · 09-14-2002, 10:09 PM

That's what I was getting at. If the gun is completely alloy, how hard would it be to construct such a thing? I'd want it in my hands before I'd even bid 500 let alone 5000. Maybe someone is just hoping too hard to win the lottery.

MarkC · 09-14-2002, 10:48 PM

Guys,

The seller has seen the light!!!! Go back to the P38 forum and see his words. I guess we really came down hard on him and he seems like someone who understands his mistakes. At least he was honest about the situation.

Mark

MG · 09-16-2002, 04:44 PM

Hello all,
I too have a P-38 that looks just like this one but it is a 1945.(must be Hitler's personal gun HA.) It's a #8815b Walther with all matching numbers, but whoever did this nickel job must have put grease or something to keep the nickel off on parts of the slide as it is not nickeled all over. What I mean is that it was nickeled in certain places on outside of slide but not on inside or at front of slide.Parts of frame is the same(this is not due to wear as the gun was left in a gun safe in 1955 till now).The gun is made of regular gun steel, but may or may not have been blued(must have been striped) Cool gun, has not been fired since 1955 and barrel is in mint condtion. I was told that NO guns were nickled during the war so this must have been done when he brought it back as the gun does not have import marks on it. I was told the gun is worth about $500 so I better sell it on e-bay as I need
$5000.00(HA,HA) [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Just my .02 cents

Thanks

unspellable · 09-16-2002, 05:45 PM

I have heard stories to the effect that from the late forties to the late fifties there were a number of small shops in Germany specializing in quick nickle plating jobs on what ever for the GI's. What ever meaning anything from a pistol to a paper weight to a letter opener to all the non-moving parts on a Panzer. I've seen nickle plated coal scuttle helmets.

Here in the US refinishing, either nickle or blue was fairly common in the fifties and sixties. I had a friend who had a mismatched Luger reblued in the middle or late sixties.

This week end I saw a nickle plated Luger at the gun show. Looked like a 1906 grip safety commercial with 4 3/4 inch 7,65 barrel. The upper was all matching, the lower was all matching, but they did not match each other.

09-13-2002, 07:38 PM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	OT:Hitler P38 I know it is totally OT but you guys must see what is going on at the P38 Forum: http://gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=5319218 Go to the P38 Forum and see the discussion: http://p38forum.com WOW !

09-13-2002, 09:35 PM	#2
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09-14-2002, 01:54 PM	#6
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Plain nickel is too soft for gun parts. Stainless steel with lots of chrome and nickel is another story?? However not likely before Hitler's death. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

09-14-2002, 04:49 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,917 Thanks: 1,996 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Who knows who the bidder is? Might very well be the seller or someone the seller knows. Or simply because it hasn't met reserve shows that the bid may or may not be serious. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-16-2002, 04:44 PM	#12
MG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello all, I too have a P-38 that looks just like this one but it is a 1945.(must be Hitler's personal gun HA.) It's a #8815b Walther with all matching numbers, but whoever did this nickel job must have put grease or something to keep the nickel off on parts of the slide as it is not nickeled all over. What I mean is that it was nickeled in certain places on outside of slide but not on inside or at front of slide.Parts of frame is the same(this is not due to wear as the gun was left in a gun safe in 1955 till now).The gun is made of regular gun steel, but may or may not have been blued(must have been striped) Cool gun, has not been fired since 1955 and barrel is in mint condtion. I was told that NO guns were nickled during the war so this must have been done when he brought it back as the gun does not have import marks on it. I was told the gun is worth about $500 so I better sell it on e-bay as I need $5000.00(HA,HA) [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Just my .02 cents Thanks __________________ MG "Si vis pacem, para bellum" 'If you want peace,prepare for war'

09-13-2002, 10:20 PM	#3
hermit User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: canada Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just curious; if the entire gun is nickel would that place a different spin on things? I have never seen, much less held one of these pistols. I don't think it has a chance in H3ll of being authentic, but he states that it isn't plated. [img]confused.gif[/img]

09-13-2002, 11:49 PM	#4
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Please read the entire post on the p38 Forum http://www.p38forum.com ......entitled..... Here we go again! ;-) Ach mein Gott! .......... I think Orv nailed this one, also I sent a private e mail to the seller indicating that Warren Buxton and Jan Still have never mentioned a "Hitler" presentation pistol in their books. No responce..... Hey, how many plated P-08's are there that qualify as "Hitler" presentation pistols??? Let's get on this guy since the gun has no documentation and it is not even engraved !!! A very commen AC44 with a story from the vet who plated it.............. come on guys, we always joke about these guns and now you have a live one!!! Geez...................

09-14-2002, 11:16 AM	#5
Stu User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 451 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts	I contacted the seller and this is the response I got, (as posted on the P38 forum); because of the number of responses, i am forced to write one blanket message rather than the personal note i would like to send each of you. the 12 guns given to ss officers has been documented to some degree, however, none of these guns will come with specific paperwork identifying as to which officer actually owned which weapon. there is an individual living in sweden known to own 5 of these guns, and i have yet to be contacted by him. this weapon has been in the family for 25 years. we are not gun brokers nor collectors. a close friend of the family bought the gun from a retired army captain around 1953(it was his job to make sure that all the german officers were disarmed during the surrender of their troops). the captain said that jodl was furious because it was "a gift from the fuhrer". he brought the gun home to illinois after the war. you won't find another p38 of this quality, not for this price! do some research...but do it quickly...this gun has opened some eyes! thank you for your interest, Subsequently I recieved this, unsolicited; i have no paperwork...that does not equal fake. i am going on what i have been told. i have seen the gun, none of these other people have. i would like some proof that it is a fake. the serial number is '8636c ac44'. if someone can prove to me that the preceeding and succeeding numbered guns are just normal, run-of-the-mill p38's i will listen. the story i'm hearing is that you will find 11 more guns made of nickel contracted by hitler. if it was fake, i wonder if the gun would be dipped in nickel or chromed or what? this gun has engravings that are etched into the surface (like all p38's), and it is that same nickel all the way thru, not just on the surface. many people have written to me saying that it is a fake, so i don't take it personally. i know the gun is for real. thank you, I wonder if this person offers a inspection and return policy ? Someone bid $5100 on it. Is there any way to find out if the bid ID is related to the seller ID ?

09-14-2002, 07:20 PM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I saw the 12th in the very limited Hitler procurment today at a pawn shop in Lenoir, NC. The price was $499. It was an AC42.

09-14-2002, 08:16 PM	#9
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	The above mentioned pistol aside, nickle plating is noted for being quite durable. It's not supposed to be Hard enough to make a pistol out of? How about some alloy of nickle? I'm not saying such a thing would be in any way practical, just that it might be possible to do. As for the pistol that is the subject of this thread, I would think that if there really were a set of twleve such pistols, they would have had special serial numbers or some other distinguishing marks. They'd be prime candidates for engraving.

09-14-2002, 10:09 PM	#10
hermit User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: canada Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That's what I was getting at. If the gun is completely alloy, how hard would it be to construct such a thing? I'd want it in my hands before I'd even bid 500 let alone 5000. Maybe someone is just hoping too hard to win the lottery.

09-14-2002, 10:48 PM	#11
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Guys, The seller has seen the light!!!! Go back to the P38 forum and see his words. I guess we really came down hard on him and he seems like someone who understands his mistakes. At least he was honest about the situation. Mark

09-16-2002, 05:45 PM	#13
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	I have heard stories to the effect that from the late forties to the late fifties there were a number of small shops in Germany specializing in quick nickle plating jobs on what ever for the GI's. What ever meaning anything from a pistol to a paper weight to a letter opener to all the non-moving parts on a Panzer. I've seen nickle plated coal scuttle helmets. Here in the US refinishing, either nickle or blue was fairly common in the fifties and sixties. I had a friend who had a mismatched Luger reblued in the middle or late sixties. This week end I saw a nickle plated Luger at the gun show. Looked like a 1906 grip safety commercial with 4 3/4 inch 7,65 barrel. The upper was all matching, the lower was all matching, but they did not match each other.