Cheap lugers frame on ebay

Jim Mac · 05-28-2017, 12:49 PM

Just search luger frame. I bid 81 bucks, it's up to 82 now. Looks beat but might be worth it for someone looking for a project. It's not mine, nor do I have anything to do with the seller. Just a heads up. Where was this last hear when I was looking for a cheap frame?

Ron Wood · 05-28-2017, 01:19 PM

I am surprised that eBay has not pulled that item yet. A frame is the controlled part of a Luger and transfer must be through an FFL holder on both sides of the sale. Ebay prohibits the sale of weapons and technically, being the BATFE designated controlled part, this is classified as a weapon. If the sale goes through without FFL and shipping restrictions, then an illegal transaction will have occurred.

Edward Tinker · 05-28-2017, 01:34 PM

I think its a pretend one, the holes for the takedown and others parts don't look right

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Frame-...8AAOSwfpVZIvNJ

DonVoigt · 05-28-2017, 02:07 PM

It is either an air soft or other pop gun frame, not a "real" frame.

I looked at it some days back and it was clearly not for a "real gun" , which may explain why it is still there.

Jim Mac · 05-28-2017, 02:22 PM

If it was a air soft frame, I'm glad I'm not the high bidder. I'm sure there are lots of stuff sold thru ebay that's technically against the law somewhere or some country. It's probably like the laws on the books in our country, the law only cares about certain laws and ignores the ones that aren't convenient for them. Jim

Ron Wood · 05-28-2017, 02:39 PM

I believe you guys are right, it is a non-gun, that is why eBay has not pulled it.
Ron

DonVoigt · 05-28-2017, 02:43 PM

Ebay pulled one of my auctions for a wood hand guard for an M1A rifle.
I couldn't figure out why, so I actually tracked down a person who gave me "the" answer.
NO parts for any firearm on the California "bad" list of assault or other whatever weapons they do not like there.

If it is not on that list, they have no idea what it is. If it had been a real luger frame, it would likely still be there unless someone "reported" it.

Jim Mac · 05-28-2017, 02:45 PM

Can someone point out the parts that are wrong to a person with a untrained eye? I pored over the images next to slot of frame pics on the internet last night and aside from the mag catch spring screwed into the frame. It looks almost lime the frame was burnt or something. Maybe it's a Japanese maruchin replica luger frame? Jim

stg44fan · 05-28-2017, 02:46 PM

Take a look at the magazine release spring. And where the hold open should be on the inside. I'm no expert but I'd say that is a toy.

Jim Mac · 05-28-2017, 02:52 PM

I googled marushin p08 luger and looked at the images. There are pics of disassembled guns and it even has the screwed on mag catch spring. Jim

rolandtg · 05-28-2017, 02:54 PM

Clearly a cast frame with stamped metal parts.

ithacaartist · 05-28-2017, 03:04 PM

Heh. I also encountered this listing a couple of days ago. The tells are obvious, so I didn't post But I did get a kick out the differences presented. That squished plastic mag release button, for example, is particularly charming... And check out that wild and crazy recoil spring linkage setup!

A few years ago a mid-60s Erma pistol was listed as parts. The description said, "everything you can see in the pics," so I messaged the seller to ask in the visible grip frame was included. His response was, "everything you can see in the pics." Lol, I don't know if the listing was booted or not, but you gotta admire the seller's cahones... and wonder about his fancy dance steps to avoid saying it was basically a firearm for sale.

Edward Tinker · 05-28-2017, 04:42 PM

well, as Don said, I have had numerous things pulled because they "thought" it was wrong.

If a magazine doesn't say less than 10 - wham
looks like a real gun and you don't say - it is a prop - wham

I think most of the stuff kicked by ebay are auto words or some person has REPORTED on the link.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-28-2017, 06:20 PM

Ed is spot on.

sheepherder · 05-28-2017, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

looks like a real gun and you don't say - it is a prop - wham

IIRC, you also have to paint the end of the toy muzzle red. Or jam a red plug in the bore, something like that.

Ron Wood · 05-28-2017, 08:37 PM

As far as I am concerned, eBay can jam a red plug where the sun don't shine.

K.Wilhelm · 05-29-2017, 10:28 AM

Ron, well said. Bill

05-28-2017, 12:49 PM	#1
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	Cheap lugers frame on ebay Just search luger frame. I bid 81 bucks, it's up to 82 now. Looks beat but might be worth it for someone looking for a project. It's not mine, nor do I have anything to do with the seller. Just a heads up. Where was this last hear when I was looking for a cheap frame?

05-28-2017, 01:19 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	I am surprised that eBay has not pulled that item yet. A frame is the controlled part of a Luger and transfer must be through an FFL holder on both sides of the sale. Ebay prohibits the sale of weapons and technically, being the BATFE designated controlled part, this is classified as a weapon. If the sale goes through without FFL and shipping restrictions, then an illegal transaction will have occurred. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-28-2017, 02:07 PM	#4
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	It is either an air soft or other pop gun frame, not a "real" frame. I looked at it some days back and it was clearly not for a "real gun" , which may explain why it is still there. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

05-28-2017, 02:39 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	I believe you guys are right, it is a non-gun, that is why eBay has not pulled it. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-28-2017, 02:43 PM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Ebay pulled one of my auctions for a wood hand guard for an M1A rifle. I couldn't figure out why, so I actually tracked down a person who gave me "the" answer. NO parts for any firearm on the California "bad" list of assault or other whatever weapons they do not like there. If it is not on that list, they have no idea what it is. If it had been a real luger frame, it would likely still be there unless someone "reported" it. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

05-28-2017, 01:34 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	I think its a pretend one, the holes for the takedown and others parts don't look right http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Frame-...8AAOSwfpVZIvNJ

05-28-2017, 02:22 PM	#5
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	If it was a air soft frame, I'm glad I'm not the high bidder. I'm sure there are lots of stuff sold thru ebay that's technically against the law somewhere or some country. It's probably like the laws on the books in our country, the law only cares about certain laws and ignores the ones that aren't convenient for them. Jim

05-28-2017, 02:45 PM	#8
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	Can someone point out the parts that are wrong to a person with a untrained eye? I pored over the images next to slot of frame pics on the internet last night and aside from the mag catch spring screwed into the frame. It looks almost lime the frame was burnt or something. Maybe it's a Japanese maruchin replica luger frame? Jim

05-28-2017, 02:46 PM	#9
stg44fan User Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Portland OR Posts: 81 Thanks: 42 Thanked 49 Times in 27 Posts	Take a look at the magazine release spring. And where the hold open should be on the inside. I'm no expert but I'd say that is a toy.

05-28-2017, 02:52 PM	#10
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	I googled marushin p08 luger and looked at the images. There are pics of disassembled guns and it even has the screwed on mag catch spring. Jim

05-28-2017, 02:54 PM	#11
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 378 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	Clearly a cast frame with stamped metal parts. Attached Thumbnails

05-28-2017, 03:04 PM	#12
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,343 Thanks: 7,264 Thanked 2,576 Times in 1,364 Posts	Heh. I also encountered this listing a couple of days ago. The tells are obvious, so I didn't post But I did get a kick out the differences presented. That squished plastic mag release button, for example, is particularly charming... And check out that wild and crazy recoil spring linkage setup! A few years ago a mid-60s Erma pistol was listed as parts. The description said, "everything you can see in the pics," so I messaged the seller to ask in the visible grip frame was included. His response was, "everything you can see in the pics." Lol, I don't know if the listing was booted or not, but you gotta admire the seller's cahones... and wonder about his fancy dance steps to avoid saying it was basically a firearm for sale. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

05-28-2017, 04:42 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	well, as Don said, I have had numerous things pulled because they "thought" it was wrong. If a magazine doesn't say less than 10 - wham looks like a real gun and you don't say - it is a prop - wham I think most of the stuff kicked by ebay are auto words or some person has REPORTED on the link.

05-28-2017, 06:20 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Ed is spot on. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-28-2017, 08:37 PM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	As far as I am concerned, eBay can jam a red plug where the sun don't shine. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-29-2017, 10:28 AM	#17
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	Right on, Ron! Ron, well said. Bill __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group