1918 re-issue Police

Edward Tinker · 07-31-2004, 12:01 PM

Entire Gallery of pictures
http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugergal...lbum100?page=1

This 1918 is in really nice shape, it has two matching magazines, both FXO, a matching tool and I believe matching holster. A good friend sold me this last year, and I am just now showing it.

The gun itself is a nice one, made in 1918, the last year made by DWM for WW1. After WW1 it was taken by the weimar and refurbished. It has the sear safety, which would have been added in approx., 1933 or later. It is very possible that the sear safety was added later, as some WW1 lugers were placed in storage, and later re-issued. (This was after the magazine safety was discontinued but the sear safety was still added.)

It has two matching FXO magazines, added sometime in the late 1930's I would guess. This is the first time I have seen FXO magazines with a weimar gun, but everything appears original to the rework (and the gentleman I bought it from is well known as a collector and definately can be trusted).

The holster is stamped on the inside Otto Schenell, Nordhausen 1918, there is a black stamp that I can't make out.

On the rear is a stamp of LZA an eagle and J.Erfurt, then there are the written words of W. Janes and the unit he flew in, the 430th Fighter Sqd. I have attempted to research a bit of the units history and also him. I found nothing on him, but found this on his unit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />430th Fighter SQ., 474th Fighter Group, 9th AF
P-38 Lightnings, England.

According to the Combat Units of WW2 The 474th Fighter Group was activated on Aug 1,1943 and trained for combat in P-38's. They moved to England in Feb-Mar 1944 and were assigned to the 9th Air Force. They flew their first combat missions in an area patrol along the coast of France in Apr 25,44. They attacked bridges and roads in France in preparation for the invasion of Normandy and also provided cover for the invasion force. The unit received a DUC for a mission in France on Aug. 23, 1944 participating in a combined air ground attack against retreating German Forces in the Falaise-Argentan area. The unit went on to see service in the Korean War.
[center]Squadrons of the 474th FG
428th FS- Black Square - F5 - Geyser
430th FS -Yellow Circle - K6 - Backdoor
429th FS - Red Triangle - 7Y Ã¢?? Retail

Combat Aircraft:
Lockheed Lightning P-38J-10-LO
Lockheed Lightning P-38J-15-LO
Lockheed Lightning P-38L-5-LO

Stations
RAF Warmwell March 13, 1944 to August 11th, 1944
A-11 Neuilly-la-Forte, France August 12, 1944 to Sept. 2, 1944
A-43 St Marceau, France Sept. 3, 1944 to Sept. 9, 1944
A-72 Peronne, France Sept. 10.1944 to Oct. 1, 1944
A-78 Florennes, Belgium Oct. 2, 1944 to March 3, 1945
Y-59 Strassfeld, Germany March 4, 1945 to April 22, 1945
R-2 Langensalza, Germany April 23. 1945 to VE Day
<hr /></blockquote>The tool is matching to the serial number and there is also a police unit number on it.

John D. · 07-31-2004, 12:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Edward Tinker:
....This 1918 is in really nice shape, it has........<hr /></blockquote>WOW!!! That's an understatement!!! It looks simply terrific Ed!!!!

Congratulations!!! <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

Also - a terrific Gallery/pics! Thanks for sharing!!!!

policeluger · 07-31-2004, 12:38 PM

Just great...never heard of FXO mags attached to Weimar rework police, beautiful! and would look far better in my collection!!!

Edward Tinker · 07-31-2004, 12:55 PM

This is actually the most interesting thing about this holster, the cleaning rod holder;

Lugerdoc · 08-01-2004, 09:41 AM

Ed, The cleaning rod holder inside the flap of this holster is typical of many Wiemar police holsters. Are your FXO mags numbered to this PO8? A photo of the mag bottoms would be helpful, in determining who added them to this rig. TH

Edward Tinker · 08-01-2004, 12:35 PM

Tom, I have some pictures under the gallery (top link of this thread), but they aren't the best, was having a heck of a time getting them to focus. Comments on them would be great, they appear to be contemporary, have wear, look good, etc.
They ARE numbered to this pistol, as is the tool which came with this holster, so I beleive completly that this is a solid rig, started as WW1 gun, sat in storage for years, was refurbished by the nazis and made into a rig, then captured by a GI airman (probably after the war).

Ed

07-31-2004, 12:01 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	1918 re-issue Police Entire Gallery of pictures http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugergal...lbum100?page=1 This 1918 is in really nice shape, it has two matching magazines, both FXO, a matching tool and I believe matching holster. A good friend sold me this last year, and I am just now showing it. The gun itself is a nice one, made in 1918, the last year made by DWM for WW1. After WW1 it was taken by the weimar and refurbished. It has the sear safety, which would have been added in approx., 1933 or later. It is very possible that the sear safety was added later, as some WW1 lugers were placed in storage, and later re-issued. (This was after the magazine safety was discontinued but the sear safety was still added.) It has two matching FXO magazines, added sometime in the late 1930's I would guess. This is the first time I have seen FXO magazines with a weimar gun, but everything appears original to the rework (and the gentleman I bought it from is well known as a collector and definately can be trusted). The holster is stamped on the inside Otto Schenell, Nordhausen 1918, there is a black stamp that I can't make out. On the rear is a stamp of LZA an eagle and J.Erfurt, then there are the written words of W. Janes and the unit he flew in, the 430th Fighter Sqd. I have attempted to research a bit of the units history and also him. I found nothing on him, but found this on his unit: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">430th Fighter SQ., 474th Fighter Group, 9th AF P-38 Lightnings, England. According to the Combat Units of WW2 The 474th Fighter Group was activated on Aug 1,1943 and trained for combat in P-38's. They moved to England in Feb-Mar 1944 and were assigned to the 9th Air Force. They flew their first combat missions in an area patrol along the coast of France in Apr 25,44. They attacked bridges and roads in France in preparation for the invasion of Normandy and also provided cover for the invasion force. The unit received a DUC for a mission in France on Aug. 23, 1944 participating in a combined air ground attack against retreating German Forces in the Falaise-Argentan area. The unit went on to see service in the Korean War. [center]Squadrons of the 474th FG 428th FS- Black Square - F5 - Geyser 430th FS -Yellow Circle - K6 - Backdoor 429th FS - Red Triangle - 7Y Ã¢?? Retail Combat Aircraft: Lockheed Lightning P-38J-10-LO Lockheed Lightning P-38J-15-LO Lockheed Lightning P-38L-5-LO Stations RAF Warmwell March 13, 1944 to August 11th, 1944 A-11 Neuilly-la-Forte, France August 12, 1944 to Sept. 2, 1944 A-43 St Marceau, France Sept. 3, 1944 to Sept. 9, 1944 A-72 Peronne, France Sept. 10.1944 to Oct. 1, 1944 A-78 Florennes, Belgium Oct. 2, 1944 to March 3, 1945 Y-59 Strassfeld, Germany March 4, 1945 to April 22, 1945 R-2 Langensalza, Germany April 23. 1945 to VE Day </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">The tool is matching to the serial number and there is also a police unit number on it. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-31-2004, 12:30 PM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Edward Tinker: <strong>....This 1918 is in really nice shape, it has........</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">WOW!!! That's an understatement!!! It looks simply terrific Ed!!!! Congratulations!!! <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> Also - a terrific Gallery/pics! Thanks for sharing!!!!

07-31-2004, 12:55 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	This is actually the most interesting thing about this holster, the cleaning rod holder; __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-01-2004, 09:41 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Ed, The cleaning rod holder inside the flap of this holster is typical of many Wiemar police holsters. Are your FXO mags numbered to this PO8? A photo of the mag bottoms would be helpful, in determining who added them to this rig. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-01-2004, 12:35 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Tom, I have some pictures under the gallery (top link of this thread), but they aren't the best, was having a heck of a time getting them to focus. Comments on them would be great, they appear to be contemporary, have wear, look good, etc. They ARE numbered to this pistol, as is the tool which came with this holster, so I beleive completly that this is a solid rig, started as WW1 gun, sat in storage for years, was refurbished by the nazis and made into a rig, then captured by a GI airman (probably after the war). Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-31-2004, 12:38 PM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Just great...never heard of FXO mags attached to Weimar rework police, beautiful! and would look far better in my collection!!!