Snail Magazine $$$$$$

stefanosg · 02-24-2006, 09:38 PM

In case anyone has an extra 2k laying around, there is a real nice snail mag on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/WW1-LUGER-ARTILL...QQcmdZViewItem

Doug G. · 02-24-2006, 10:46 PM

One of the mods should move this to the artillery forum. That said I think that the price is high, but they are not coming up for sale as often anymore. This one does include the loading tool, which if real is worth at least $600+. Consider that I paid $700 for a type 2 five years ago and $1000 for a type 1 three years ago. Seems that rare Luger accessories are climbing at a furious rate anymore.

Steinar · 02-25-2006, 11:53 AM

..would be nice with a repro in decent quality

nnoonan · 02-27-2006, 08:44 AM

any thoughts

Steinar · 02-27-2006, 08:53 AM

don`t know of any functional repro snail magazine:\

Brent B. · 02-27-2006, 10:42 AM

In the write up the seller mentioned he lived in Canada and was having a gunsmith fix the snail drum so it would only hold 5 rounds and be legal. I think I would have a concern with how it was done and if it could be "undone" down here in the USA. Seems like sometime in the past somebody told me not to open them up if you didn't have to. Just some thoughts. Brent

Dwight Gruber · 02-27-2006, 11:12 AM

Morgan,

There are "fake" repro drum magazines which are essentially functional 8-round magazines with faux drums attached at the bottom.

--Dwight

John Sabato · 02-27-2006, 11:41 AM

Blocking a "live" snail drum to 5 rounds could be accomplished with solder, and some hard work. It would beyond most inspections to make it functional, but the judicious application of heat could recover the full capacity...

You might also find that some of our Canadian counterparts, might also stretch the truth on a sale to the USA if it meant getting the highest dollar... To announce on Ebay that you are going to subvert their regulations would get your auction pulled in a heartbeat... Tell them what they want to hear, and they are likely to leave you alone...

Doug G. · 02-27-2006, 12:05 PM

John, I can't honestly believe that someone would lie to Evilbay.

Navy · 02-27-2006, 02:35 PM

FWIW,

BATF regs require agency approval of hi-cap mag prior to import.

Tom A

Dwight Gruber · 02-27-2006, 03:44 PM

Tom,

Does ATF routinely permit importation of "collectors' items" like Parabellum drum magazines, or is this one of those circumstances which regulations may permit but is in practice never allowed?

--Dwight

Steinar · 02-27-2006, 04:37 PM

There are no capacity limit for the magazines here in norway.. just dont have the $$$ now:\

lugerlou · 02-27-2006, 07:34 PM

All I for one would argue strongly with the seller Matt, Canadians are restricted from using anything higher than a ten round magazine in a pistol. ie the browning hi-power 13 round capacity.

It is rifle magazines that must be pinned for 5 rounds if you are using them out in the open at ranges/meets/hunting.

Matt may be mistaken that when this magazine is assembled into an artillary luger with a stock it then becomes a carbine which would then fall within the guidelines of a rifle.

We have no laws selling magazine parts, he could have disassembled the drum and it is now legal.

Canadians also have the option of gunshows which allow this magazine to be displayed provided it is not inserted into a pistol and is called an antique,

All in all it is an interpretation of the law yet to be tested before the courts.

lugercollector · 02-27-2006, 08:00 PM

It was mentioned that it came with a canvas carrier.....that also explains the high price......

alamar · 03-06-2006, 09:54 AM

Just to clarify, the Luger snail drum mag is specifically exempted from the 10 round rule in Canada. One of those very rare fleeting instances of sanity when the Canadian gun laws were passed in the 90's.

john170950 · 12-29-2006, 12:53 PM

Indeed, I live in Cananda and have a TM-08 that can be used to full capacity. I bought it specifically because it can hold more than the 10 rounds that all other pistol mags are allowed.

Conny · 01-14-2007, 10:56 PM

Will a snail drum feed 7.65cal. competently?

John Sabato · 01-15-2007, 07:54 AM

An interesting question... I would venture a guess that the answer is yes, but since I have never been in a position to actually own a TM-08 magazine, I will wait along with you for a competent answer from someone who has done it...

zinfull · 01-15-2007, 01:09 PM

Would be nice but I can not import the mag into CA because it is considered a High Capacity magizine, >10 rounds.

Jerry

john170950 · 02-02-2007, 03:57 PM

EDIT deleted message about importing into Canada, thought you were talking about Canada, I assume now you meant Cali.

As an aside, if you're interested in the disassembly of the TM-08:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=18581

02-24-2006, 09:38 PM	#1
stefanosg User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East Central Florida Posts: 367 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Snail Magazine $$$$$$ In case anyone has an extra 2k laying around, there is a real nice snail mag on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/WW1-LUGER-ARTILL...QQcmdZViewItem

02-24-2006, 10:46 PM	#2
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	One of the mods should move this to the artillery forum. That said I think that the price is high, but they are not coming up for sale as often anymore. This one does include the loading tool, which if real is worth at least $600+. Consider that I paid $700 for a type 2 five years ago and $1000 for a type 1 three years ago. Seems that rare Luger accessories are climbing at a furious rate anymore. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

02-25-2006, 11:53 AM	#3
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	..would be nice with a repro in decent quality __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

02-27-2006, 08:53 AM	#5
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	don`t know of any functional repro snail magazine:\ __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

02-27-2006, 11:41 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Blocking a "live" snail drum to 5 rounds could be accomplished with solder, and some hard work. It would beyond most inspections to make it functional, but the judicious application of heat could recover the full capacity... You might also find that some of our Canadian counterparts, might also stretch the truth on a sale to the USA if it meant getting the highest dollar... To announce on Ebay that you are going to subvert their regulations would get your auction pulled in a heartbeat... Tell them what they want to hear, and they are likely to leave you alone... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-27-2006, 08:44 AM	#4
nnoonan User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	any thoughts

02-27-2006, 10:42 AM	#6
Brent B. User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 176 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	In the write up the seller mentioned he lived in Canada and was having a gunsmith fix the snail drum so it would only hold 5 rounds and be legal. I think I would have a concern with how it was done and if it could be "undone" down here in the USA. Seems like sometime in the past somebody told me not to open them up if you didn't have to. Just some thoughts. Brent

02-27-2006, 11:12 AM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Morgan, There are "fake" repro drum magazines which are essentially functional 8-round magazines with faux drums attached at the bottom. --Dwight

02-27-2006, 12:05 PM	#9
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	John, I can't honestly believe that someone would lie to Evilbay. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

02-27-2006, 02:35 PM	#10
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	FWIW, BATF regs require agency approval of hi-cap mag prior to import. Tom A

02-27-2006, 03:44 PM	#11
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Tom, Does ATF routinely permit importation of "collectors' items" like Parabellum drum magazines, or is this one of those circumstances which regulations may permit but is in practice never allowed? --Dwight

02-27-2006, 04:37 PM	#12
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	There are no capacity limit for the magazines here in norway.. just dont have the $$$ now:\ __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

02-27-2006, 07:34 PM	#13
lugerlou User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	All I for one would argue strongly with the seller Matt, Canadians are restricted from using anything higher than a ten round magazine in a pistol. ie the browning hi-power 13 round capacity. It is rifle magazines that must be pinned for 5 rounds if you are using them out in the open at ranges/meets/hunting. Matt may be mistaken that when this magazine is assembled into an artillary luger with a stock it then becomes a carbine which would then fall within the guidelines of a rifle. We have no laws selling magazine parts, he could have disassembled the drum and it is now legal. Canadians also have the option of gunshows which allow this magazine to be displayed provided it is not inserted into a pistol and is called an antique, All in all it is an interpretation of the law yet to be tested before the courts.

02-27-2006, 08:00 PM	#14
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	It was mentioned that it came with a canvas carrier.....that also explains the high price......

03-06-2006, 09:54 AM	#15
alamar User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 79 Thanks: 7 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Just to clarify, the Luger snail drum mag is specifically exempted from the 10 round rule in Canada. One of those very rare fleeting instances of sanity when the Canadian gun laws were passed in the 90's.

12-29-2006, 12:53 PM	#16
john170950 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Indeed, I live in Cananda and have a TM-08 that can be used to full capacity. I bought it specifically because it can hold more than the 10 rounds that all other pistol mags are allowed.

01-14-2007, 10:56 PM	#17
Conny User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Culpeper, Va. Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Will a snail drum feed 7.65cal. competently? __________________ Rangers Lead the Way, Duane Leiker

01-15-2007, 07:54 AM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	An interesting question... I would venture a guess that the answer is yes, but since I have never been in a position to actually own a TM-08 magazine, I will wait along with you for a competent answer from someone who has done it... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-15-2007, 01:09 PM	#19
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 240 Thanks: 4 Thanked 32 Times in 15 Posts	Would be nice but I can not import the mag into CA because it is considered a High Capacity magizine, >10 rounds. Jerry

02-02-2007, 03:57 PM	#20
john170950 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	EDIT deleted message about importing into Canada, thought you were talking about Canada, I assume now you meant Cali. As an aside, if you're interested in the disassembly of the TM-08: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=18581 Last edited by john170950; 06-08-2010 at 08:34 AM. Reason: photos moved to sticky