Magazine for 1916 DWM Luger

wdavid431 · 09-06-2008, 02:40 PM

I have a nice 1916 DWM Luger which is all matching except the magazine. I am unsure if the one received with the pistol is correct.
It is blued (more black) with no markings at all except on the base (round part on bottom). Base is alumn or silver color and has an eagle with spread wing and the number 63 underneath.
Is this magazine proper for a 1916 or is it a replacement?
Thanks for any replys.

beachbaker · 09-06-2008, 03:32 PM

The magazine you have is for a WWII era luger. The magazine issued with your gun would be wood bottom with the serial number on the wood. Curt

zinfull · 09-06-2008, 05:45 PM

it should look like this

Jerry

wdavid431 · 09-07-2008, 07:42 AM

Thanks for the answers. It is truly amazing the amount of collective knowledge available on this site. Not only did I get my answer but also a picture of the correct magazine.
Somehow the magazine I have did not set right with the time period but I was not sure. Eagle over 63. Anyone know what the 63 indicates.
Thanks again everyone, especially zinfull and beachbaker.

John Sabato · 09-07-2008, 03:28 PM

the eagle/63 is a serviceability inspection stamp. The #63 was assigned to a specific person... someone else may know his name, but I don't have that information in my database.

Edward Tinker · 09-07-2008, 03:56 PM

John, not to disagree, but WW1 stamps were assigned to a specific person, and then sometime in the Weimar era they went from being assigned to a specific person to a "group". The eagle 63 was a "group"

MFC · 09-08-2008, 12:19 AM

To further what Ed said...starting sometime in the Weimar era.
From what I've gathered from previous post on the subject, I beleive the different proofs identify specific proof houses and were used by whomever was assigned to pass final inspection.
Imperial proofs that were assigned to a specific person were a Crown over a gothic letter, which was the first letter of the inspectors last name.
Mike C.

John Sabato · 09-08-2008, 11:03 AM

Thanks to Ed and Mike for the clarification...

Lugerdoc · 09-10-2008, 10:50 AM

It's a bit confusing, but from what I understand, the WaA numbered (eg E/63) was assigned an individual also: the head of that Inspection office and moved with him and his subinspectors as he was reassigned (eg E/655 first being at Mauser and later at FN). If the WaA number was assigned to a plant office, why did the numbered change at Mauser (E/63, 655 & 135) every few years, not to mention the early 1934 & 35 inspectiors (o:37, E/211, E/154, etc). TH

Vlim · 09-10-2008, 11:04 AM

Try to look as the waffenamt number as the number of the one individual who has the end responsibility over a team of people who all use the same stamp.

If the head of the team (the 'holder of the WaA number') would leave, his number would go with him and if the rest of the team stayed behind, they would start using the stamps assigned to his his successor.

MFC · 09-10-2008, 11:15 PM

So John was right all along. The stamps are assigned to one person.
Sorry... still trying to absorb all this stuff.
Mike C.

09-06-2008, 02:40 PM	#1
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Magazine for 1916 DWM Luger I have a nice 1916 DWM Luger which is all matching except the magazine. I am unsure if the one received with the pistol is correct. It is blued (more black) with no markings at all except on the base (round part on bottom). Base is alumn or silver color and has an eagle with spread wing and the number 63 underneath. Is this magazine proper for a 1916 or is it a replacement? Thanks for any replys. __________________ W David

09-06-2008, 03:32 PM	#2
beachbaker Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: california Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 106 Times in 29 Posts	The magazine you have is for a WWII era luger. The magazine issued with your gun would be wood bottom with the serial number on the wood. Curt __________________ Curt

09-07-2008, 07:42 AM	#4
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks for the answers. It is truly amazing the amount of collective knowledge available on this site. Not only did I get my answer but also a picture of the correct magazine. Somehow the magazine I have did not set right with the time period but I was not sure. Eagle over 63. Anyone know what the 63 indicates. Thanks again everyone, especially zinfull and beachbaker. __________________ W David

09-07-2008, 03:28 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	the eagle/63 is a serviceability inspection stamp. The #63 was assigned to a specific person... someone else may know his name, but I don't have that information in my database. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-08-2008, 12:19 AM	#7
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	To further what Ed said...starting sometime in the Weimar era. From what I've gathered from previous post on the subject, I beleive the different proofs identify specific proof houses and were used by whomever was assigned to pass final inspection. Imperial proofs that were assigned to a specific person were a Crown over a gothic letter, which was the first letter of the inspectors last name. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

09-06-2008, 05:45 PM	#3
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 240 Thanks: 4 Thanked 32 Times in 15 Posts	it should look like this Jerry

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	John, not to disagree, but WW1 stamps were assigned to a specific person, and then sometime in the Weimar era they went from being assigned to a specific person to a "group". The eagle 63 was a "group" __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-08-2008, 11:03 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Thanks to Ed and Mike for the clarification... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-10-2008, 10:50 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	It's a bit confusing, but from what I understand, the WaA numbered (eg E/63) was assigned an individual also: the head of that Inspection office and moved with him and his subinspectors as he was reassigned (eg E/655 first being at Mauser and later at FN). If the WaA number was assigned to a plant office, why did the numbered change at Mauser (E/63, 655 & 135) every few years, not to mention the early 1934 & 35 inspectiors (o:37, E/211, E/154, etc). TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-10-2008, 11:04 AM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,043 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,930 Times in 1,194 Posts	Try to look as the waffenamt number as the number of the one individual who has the end responsibility over a team of people who all use the same stamp. If the head of the team (the 'holder of the WaA number') would leave, his number would go with him and if the rest of the team stayed behind, they would start using the stamps assigned to his his successor.

09-10-2008, 11:15 PM	#11
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	So John was right all along. The stamps are assigned to one person. Sorry... still trying to absorb all this stuff. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.