.224 Centerfire for the Luger???

Ponyman · 01-14-2006, 04:26 PM

Check out the .22 Reed Express. It's a necked-down 7.62x25, and might be compatible with P08 magazine dimensions - case and rim diameters are.002 inch smaller than the Luger. The case is a tad longer than a 7.65 Luger, but a smaller (round nosed) bullet might result in a usable over-all length. They're claiming 783 ft-lbs muzzle energy, so you would have to load it down - or find a heavier recoil spring - to use it in a properly chambered Luger. The groove above the rim is squared off, and might pose a problem for the Luger extractor. The barrel, in any case, will be strictly custom. Unless, of course, a large enough group of buyers were to approach Reed's Ammunition & Research with a quantity request..... Brass & dies are currently available.

http://www.reedsammo.com/

There's more info at Ammoguide.com - but you have to be a subscriber to see it.

SteveM · 01-14-2006, 05:18 PM

Check out what Hugh has been doing..

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...liber+30+luger

Johnny C. Kitchens · 01-14-2006, 07:35 PM

I didn't see any of the figures from the 5" barrel that were producing velocity and energy figures that would be out of reach for the .224 Goldstein. necked down .30 Luger case. The loads shown are in the 400 ft/lb range, which the .224 Goldstein does easily, and it would require far less modification of the basic Luger design...

Hugh · 01-14-2006, 10:53 PM

The update is--there is no update! I just read the above postings, and realized that it has been 2 YEARS since I got this gun. So I dug it out of the safe and ran a scan of it. Also found two boxes of cartridges on my desk that I loaded a year ago! I will try to take it out and shoot soon and come back here with a report.

If I remember correctly it turned out to be a "hand operated" action instead of semi-auto. The cartridge doesn't develop enough momentum to operate the toggle. If the recoil spring is strong enough to return the toggle to battery, the cartridge cannot fully open the action. If the spring is weak enough for the cartridge to open the action fully, it is not strong enough to load a round from the magazine and close the action.

01-14-2006, 04:26 PM	#1
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	.224 Centerfire for the Luger??? Check out the .22 Reed Express. It's a necked-down 7.62x25, and might be compatible with P08 magazine dimensions - case and rim diameters are.002 inch smaller than the Luger. The case is a tad longer than a 7.65 Luger, but a smaller (round nosed) bullet might result in a usable over-all length. They're claiming 783 ft-lbs muzzle energy, so you would have to load it down - or find a heavier recoil spring - to use it in a properly chambered Luger. The groove above the rim is squared off, and might pose a problem for the Luger extractor. The barrel, in any case, will be strictly custom. Unless, of course, a large enough group of buyers were to approach Reed's Ammunition & Research with a quantity request..... Brass & dies are currently available. http://www.reedsammo.com/ There's more info at Ammoguide.com - but you have to be a subscriber to see it. __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams

01-14-2006, 07:35 PM	#3
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	I didn't see any of the figures from the 5" barrel that were producing velocity and energy figures that would be out of reach for the .224 Goldstein. necked down .30 Luger case. The loads shown are in the 400 ft/lb range, which the .224 Goldstein does easily, and it would require far less modification of the basic Luger design... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

01-14-2006, 10:53 PM	#4
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	22-30 Luger update The update is--there is no update! I just read the above postings, and realized that it has been 2 YEARS since I got this gun. So I dug it out of the safe and ran a scan of it. Also found two boxes of cartridges on my desk that I loaded a year ago! I will try to take it out and shoot soon and come back here with a report. If I remember correctly it turned out to be a "hand operated" action instead of semi-auto. The cartridge doesn't develop enough momentum to operate the toggle. If the recoil spring is strong enough to return the toggle to battery, the cartridge cannot fully open the action. If the spring is weak enough for the cartridge to open the action fully, it is not strong enough to load a round from the magazine and close the action. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

01-14-2006, 05:18 PM	#2
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Check out what Hugh has been doing.. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...liber+30+luger