To shoot, or not to shoot my WW2 Luger

Jshark · 10-09-2017, 04:36 PM

Hello Experts,

I inherited a couple German pistols that were originally picked up by a family member in Europe during WW2. I would like to shoot the Luger pictured, but am unsure if that is wise. I would hate to damage it or significantly reduce its value. Any advice is greatly appreciated!

As far as I can tell, it was made by Simpson & Co. and was pre-WW2 manufacture. All the parts have matching serial numbers...almost. The clip does not match and the firing pin is stamped "73", I'm wondering if that was a manufacturer mistake since the other parts are stamped "37".

Your comments are appreciated in advance! Thank you

Jshark · 10-09-2017, 06:31 PM

Hello Experts,

This is a duplicate of a post on the WW2 forum. I could not figure out how to move it here. Probably a more appropriate place for this question.

I inherited a couple German pistols that were originally picked up by a family member in Europe during WW2. I would like to shoot the Luger pictured, but am unsure if that is wise. I would hate to damage it or significantly reduce its value. Any advice is greatly appreciated!

As far as I can tell, it was made by Simpson & Co. and was pre-WW2 manufacture. All the parts have matching serial numbers...almost. The clip does not match and the firing pin is stamped "73", I'm wondering if that was a manufacturer mistake since the other parts are stamped "37".

Your comments are appreciated in advance! Thank you

DonVoigt · 10-09-2017, 07:21 PM

Welcome to the board.
Your question has been addressed countless times- what it comes down to is- it is up to you.
Breaking a numbered part will reduce its value, but if you inherited it- it was free- so not a big issue.

It would be worth more to you as a family related item than anyone else, JMHO.

If the striker(firing pin) also has a small eagle/6 stamped on it, it may be an original Simson part.
If not, it has already been replaced once.

Some folks worry a lot about "breaking" a luger, I don't, if you use regular 115 gr ammo, not +P and not Nato, I would shoot it.

The parts that break more often- but not really often:
ejector
extractor
striker

On a Simson they would all have the small e/6 - parts which are hard to find.
You could always buy spares and replace them before you shoot.

Do a search for shooting my luger, and read all the opinions.

Everyone has one, and they are usually different!

The safest way is to buy a shooter luger and shoot it!

By the way, there are no pictures in your post.

sheepherder · 10-09-2017, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jshark

As far as I can tell, it was made by Simpson & Co...

If that it what it says, then it is a very poor quality fake...

DonVoigt · 10-09-2017, 08:30 PM

Now Rich, be nice. This is the new collectors forum.
JShark,
what he means is "Simson" as in the luger producer is spelled without the "p".

Someone corrected me in my first post also, something I'll not forget.
There is a "Simpson" luger seller though, in Ill.

Jshark · 10-09-2017, 08:46 PM

Corrected, thank you for the explanation for DonVoigt. And I read your response on my mistake post. I didn't notice the stamp on the firing pin, so I assume it was a replacement.

cirelaw · 10-09-2017, 08:54 PM

Don't fret, I have made the same mistake!!

Eugen · 10-09-2017, 09:45 PM

Welcome to the forum. Congrats on your family heirlooms.

Some might say not to fire it; others will say, fire it. It's your gun and you should enjoy it as you choose. It may also depend on your definition of "firing it". I wouldn't suggest you shoot it weekly at the range. There are other guns for that. But, occasionally or rarely shooting a mag or two with your Luger, then that is another scenario. Realize that even shooting it one you take a chance of breaking a numbet part. But, every time you get into your car you roll the dice that you may get into an accident. Taking risks is part of living. I say if you want to enjoy it to fullest you should shoot it.

Let us know what you decide to do.

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2017, 10:39 PM

I need to ask a couple of questions

1. it is 1237 and NOT 1237a?
2. look at the bottom of the stock lug, it should have two eagle 6's

Its in rougher shape, lots of bluing loss, of course I would still buy it if the price was right

I will assume it is 1237, the firing pin being messed up by the factory is very unlikely - much more likely it got swapped accidentally by a soldier or at the company.

Grips should be marked 1237 - which is unusual, most lugers the only have the last two of the serial number.

1237 would have been made in late 1926 or early 1927 for the army - there were a total of less than 12,000 Simson lugers made. BTW, I have accidentally written Simpson - oh well

mrerick · 10-09-2017, 10:40 PM

There were only 12,000 Simson Lugers manufactured between WW-I and about 1933. These are so rare that I personally would not fire one under any circumstances.

Almost every part has an E/6 acceptance stamp, including the grip screws. if you lose or break a part, they are literally made of "unobtainium".

An original Simson firing pin would have a E/6 mark as well as the number. if this is missing, it's a replacement. If it's present it could be original.

cirelaw · 10-09-2017, 11:00 PM

Did Simson or any other luger producer besides DWM produce luger ammo?

DonVoigt · 10-09-2017, 11:10 PM

There you are, just as I said, you have the answers from "shoot it" to "don't shoot it".
Now you decide what you want to do.

cirelaw · 10-09-2017, 11:32 PM

Democracy

stg44fan · 10-10-2017, 01:35 AM

Shoot it

Jshark · 10-10-2017, 03:09 AM

Thanks for all the advice. I love history and these guns are certainly part of it. I don't ever plan on selling this gun, so I'll feed a few rounds through it. I suppose that's why it was made after all. For those of you that like history, I'm told this Luger, along with a P38 pictured above, weee picked up off the battlefield by an uncle of mine. His name was Sgt. Hilliger and he was attached to a forward communication unit. He carried the Luger as a personal sidearm for a few years, until he "found" the P38 and decided to carry it instead.

Here are a few more photos and the holster he carried. I assume the holster was made somewhere in the rear,as it doesn't have any German markings.

Jshark · 10-10-2017, 03:17 AM

One more photo

mrerick · 10-10-2017, 10:30 AM

The firing pin is, in fact, a Simson accepted firing pin.

There are factory "errors" where serial numbers are misstamped. It's more likely that you have something like that.

{unnecessary comment withdrawn}

To each his own.

Your holster is not German military. It was probably not made in Europe either.

DonVoigt · 10-10-2017, 10:34 AM

Thanks Marc.

I suspect there are many more than 700 or 1400 Simson lugers extant of the original 12k produced;
I have four of them- so they can't be rare, maybe not even scarce!

None of mine are perfect, as these were used when produced/issued and for many years thereafter.

cirelaw · 10-10-2017, 12:42 PM

Although I've collected 21 over 2 decades, against advice from others, I test fired my 1914 DWM Artillery and was amazed by the power and kick!

MikeP · 10-10-2017, 05:44 PM

I certainly never thought about the loss of somebody's collectable affected mine in any way.

10-09-2017, 04:36 PM	#1
Jshark User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To shoot, or not to shoot my WW2 Luger Hello Experts, I inherited a couple German pistols that were originally picked up by a family member in Europe during WW2. I would like to shoot the Luger pictured, but am unsure if that is wise. I would hate to damage it or significantly reduce its value. Any advice is greatly appreciated! As far as I can tell, it was made by Simpson & Co. and was pre-WW2 manufacture. All the parts have matching serial numbers...almost. The clip does not match and the firing pin is stamped "73", I'm wondering if that was a manufacturer mistake since the other parts are stamped "37". Your comments are appreciated in advance! Thank you Last edited by Jshark; 10-09-2017 at 06:32 PM.

10-09-2017, 06:31 PM	#2
Jshark User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Should I shoot this Luger? Hello Experts, This is a duplicate of a post on the WW2 forum. I could not figure out how to move it here. Probably a more appropriate place for this question. I inherited a couple German pistols that were originally picked up by a family member in Europe during WW2. I would like to shoot the Luger pictured, but am unsure if that is wise. I would hate to damage it or significantly reduce its value. Any advice is greatly appreciated! As far as I can tell, it was made by Simpson & Co. and was pre-WW2 manufacture. All the parts have matching serial numbers...almost. The clip does not match and the firing pin is stamped "73", I'm wondering if that was a manufacturer mistake since the other parts are stamped "37". Your comments are appreciated in advance! Thank you Attached Thumbnails

10-09-2017, 07:21 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Welcome to the board. Your question has been addressed countless times- what it comes down to is- it is up to you. Breaking a numbered part will reduce its value, but if you inherited it- it was free- so not a big issue. It would be worth more to you as a family related item than anyone else, JMHO. If the striker(firing pin) also has a small eagle/6 stamped on it, it may be an original Simson part. If not, it has already been replaced once. Some folks worry a lot about "breaking" a luger, I don't, if you use regular 115 gr ammo, not +P and not Nato, I would shoot it. The parts that break more often- but not really often: ejector extractor striker On a Simson they would all have the small e/6 - parts which are hard to find. You could always buy spares and replace them before you shoot. Do a search for shooting my luger, and read all the opinions. Everyone has one, and they are usually different! The safest way is to buy a shooter luger and shoot it! By the way, there are no pictures in your post. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

10-09-2017, 08:30 PM	#5
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Now Rich, be nice. This is the new collectors forum. JShark, what he means is "Simson" as in the luger producer is spelled without the "p". Someone corrected me in my first post also, something I'll not forget. There is a "Simpson" luger seller though, in Ill. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

10-09-2017, 09:45 PM	#8
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 392 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	Welcome to the forum. Congrats on your family heirlooms. Some might say not to fire it; others will say, fire it. It's your gun and you should enjoy it as you choose. It may also depend on your definition of "firing it". I wouldn't suggest you shoot it weekly at the range. There are other guns for that. But, occasionally or rarely shooting a mag or two with your Luger, then that is another scenario. Realize that even shooting it one you take a chance of breaking a numbet part. But, every time you get into your car you roll the dice that you may get into an accident. Taking risks is part of living. I say if you want to enjoy it to fullest you should shoot it. Let us know what you decide to do. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

10-09-2017, 08:46 PM	#6
Jshark User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Corrected, thank you for the explanation for DonVoigt. And I read your response on my mistake post. I didn't notice the stamp on the firing pin, so I assume it was a replacement.

10-09-2017, 08:54 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Don't fret, I have made the same mistake!!

10-09-2017, 10:39 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	I need to ask a couple of questions 1. it is 1237 and NOT 1237a? 2. look at the bottom of the stock lug, it should have two eagle 6's Its in rougher shape, lots of bluing loss, of course I would still buy it if the price was right I will assume it is 1237, the firing pin being messed up by the factory is very unlikely - much more likely it got swapped accidentally by a soldier or at the company. Grips should be marked 1237 - which is unusual, most lugers the only have the last two of the serial number. 1237 would have been made in late 1926 or early 1927 for the army - there were a total of less than 12,000 Simson lugers made. BTW, I have accidentally written Simpson - oh well __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2017, 10:40 PM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	There were only 12,000 Simson Lugers manufactured between WW-I and about 1933. These are so rare that I personally would not fire one under any circumstances. Almost every part has an E/6 acceptance stamp, including the grip screws. if you lose or break a part, they are literally made of "unobtainium". An original Simson firing pin would have a E/6 mark as well as the number. if this is missing, it's a replacement. If it's present it could be original. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-09-2017, 11:00 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Did Simson or any other luger producer besides DWM produce luger ammo?

10-09-2017, 11:10 PM	#12
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	There you are, just as I said, you have the answers from "shoot it" to "don't shoot it". Now you decide what you want to do. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

10-09-2017, 11:32 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Democracy

10-10-2017, 01:35 AM	#14
stg44fan User Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Portland OR Posts: 81 Thanks: 42 Thanked 49 Times in 27 Posts	Shoot it

10-10-2017, 03:09 AM	#15
Jshark User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the advice. I love history and these guns are certainly part of it. I don't ever plan on selling this gun, so I'll feed a few rounds through it. I suppose that's why it was made after all. For those of you that like history, I'm told this Luger, along with a P38 pictured above, weee picked up off the battlefield by an uncle of mine. His name was Sgt. Hilliger and he was attached to a forward communication unit. He carried the Luger as a personal sidearm for a few years, until he "found" the P38 and decided to carry it instead. Here are a few more photos and the holster he carried. I assume the holster was made somewhere in the rear,as it doesn't have any German markings. Attached Thumbnails

10-10-2017, 03:17 AM	#16
Jshark User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	One more photo Attached Thumbnails

10-10-2017, 10:30 AM	#17
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	The firing pin is, in fact, a Simson accepted firing pin. There are factory "errors" where serial numbers are misstamped. It's more likely that you have something like that. {unnecessary comment withdrawn} To each his own. Your holster is not German military. It was probably not made in Europe either. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war. Last edited by mrerick; 10-10-2017 at 06:00 PM.

10-10-2017, 10:34 AM	#18
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Thanks Marc. I suspect there are many more than 700 or 1400 Simson lugers extant of the original 12k produced; I have four of them- so they can't be rare, maybe not even scarce! None of mine are perfect, as these were used when produced/issued and for many years thereafter. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

10-10-2017, 12:42 PM	#19
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Although I've collected 21 over 2 decades, against advice from others, I test fired my 1914 DWM Artillery and was amazed by the power and kick! Attached Thumbnails

10-10-2017, 05:44 PM	#20
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	I certainly never thought about the loss of somebody's collectable affected mine in any way.