OT - Shooting Underwater? - Page 2

AGE · 08-12-2002, 03:38 PM

Edmond and others,

Thanks for the info. I am curious about the topic, but too cheap to spend many $$ to find the answer. I guess if the situation arises, I'll try the 6 shot bumpstick instead of debating underwater monsters.

I suspect the range would be very limited because firing into water (from out of the water) doesn't give much penetration. Also, the shock wave might even be a help as it would affect the monster as well as the shooter.

Edmond, the Glock and 1911 info. gives me hope. I would guess that a revolver wouldn't have the same firing pin problem that a Glock might have underwater. Maybe I'll try the Ruger with a primed case only when I'm ready for a major cleaning job.

Stevie · 09-01-2002, 02:43 PM

Maybe you guy's remember the Three Stooges episode where they were kicking the Kaiser around, anyhow the Stooges pissed off their sargent. He made them stick their heads in a water trough, stuck his revolver in the other end and fired. Fixed the Stooges right up. I recall a army ranger frend telling me a .45 was good for 18ft underwater, sounds dangerous! I thought the Stooge thing was funny. Stevie

AGE · 09-01-2002, 11:46 PM

Stevie,

I am still interested in this topic, but even 18 feet sounds like long range to me (underwater) based on the lousy penetration you get when you shoot into water (from above the water).

Anybody have some real data? Any test volunteers?

Hugh · 09-02-2002, 01:58 AM

AGE,

Since Thor survived his experiment with the Luger cannon, he's probaly ready to tackle more interesting projects. Although finding enough water where he lives might be an obsticle. <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

Thor · 09-02-2002, 09:45 AM

Hugh....ol buddy....methinks you have partaken tooooo many Lone Stars and dillo chips!!! NO WAY JOSE! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

hermit · 09-02-2002, 06:38 PM

I do not claim to be an expert on shooting underwater, but as a youngster, we would sometimes immerse the barrel of our 22 rifles and shoot suckers (carp) that ran the river in the spring. I think the only effects would be the rapid absaorption of velocity by the water. We would then sell the carp to the fellow who owned the chinese restaurant in town. Those were the days!! Maybe higher caliber guns would have adverse effects espescially if you and the gun were underwater due to the concussion waves in the water? Supposedly dynamite will kill a fish. Who gave me this idea anyways???? [img]rolleyes.gif[/img]

Base · 09-03-2002, 06:45 PM

I remember reading several years ago in Soldier Of Fortune magazine (forgive me my past reading habits) that several 1911 diehards at a convention wanted to test the theory. The tale went something like - jump in pool, make sure to shake all bubbles out of your Colt, 1911's will fire and cycle everytime, spent bullets can be recovered in near perfect condition. One man's fun is another man's foolishness.

Hugh · 09-03-2002, 07:01 PM

Hey, BASE, what's to forgive? SOF is one of the few magazines that I subscribe to!
<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

AGE · 09-03-2002, 11:50 PM

Base,

Maybe that's the same group of guys mentioned in the Handgunner article (I never had my hands on a SOF magazine). I'm still waiting for some underwater shooting data.

I wouldn't be surprised if a high velocity rifle fired with water in the barrel (or fired underwater) would be damaged. A rifle barrel holds a lot of water and adding this weight to the bullet weight without reducing powder charge would probably give reeeaaal high pressures.

On the other hand, a pistol barrel doesn't hold a lot of water and, if fired with a moderate load might be OK (except perhaps for the effect of the concussion on the shooter).

hermit · 09-04-2002, 01:34 PM

I think it works like a car being sumergedyou cannot open the doors till you break a window to equalise the pressure. Now--where did I put my dinamite?

08-12-2002, 03:38 PM	#21
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Edmond and others, Thanks for the info. I am curious about the topic, but too cheap to spend many $$ to find the answer. I guess if the situation arises, I'll try the 6 shot bumpstick instead of debating underwater monsters. I suspect the range would be very limited because firing into water (from out of the water) doesn't give much penetration. Also, the shock wave might even be a help as it would affect the monster as well as the shooter. Edmond, the Glock and 1911 info. gives me hope. I would guess that a revolver wouldn't have the same firing pin problem that a Glock might have underwater. Maybe I'll try the Ruger with a primed case only when I'm ready for a major cleaning job. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

09-01-2002, 11:46 PM	#23
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stevie, I am still interested in this topic, but even 18 feet sounds like long range to me (underwater) based on the lousy penetration you get when you shoot into water (from above the water). Anybody have some real data? Any test volunteers? __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

09-02-2002, 01:58 AM	#24
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	AGE, Since Thor survived his experiment with the Luger cannon, he's probaly ready to tackle more interesting projects. Although finding enough water where he lives might be an obsticle. <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

09-02-2002, 09:45 AM	#25
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Hugh....ol buddy....methinks you have partaken tooooo many Lone Stars and dillo chips!!! NO WAY JOSE! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

09-03-2002, 07:01 PM	#28
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Hey, BASE, what's to forgive? SOF is one of the few magazines that I subscribe to! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

09-01-2002, 02:43 PM	#22
Stevie User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ok. Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Maybe you guy's remember the Three Stooges episode where they were kicking the Kaiser around, anyhow the Stooges pissed off their sargent. He made them stick their heads in a water trough, stuck his revolver in the other end and fired. Fixed the Stooges right up. I recall a army ranger frend telling me a .45 was good for 18ft underwater, sounds dangerous! I thought the Stooge thing was funny. Stevie

09-02-2002, 06:38 PM	#26
hermit User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: canada Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I do not claim to be an expert on shooting underwater, but as a youngster, we would sometimes immerse the barrel of our 22 rifles and shoot suckers (carp) that ran the river in the spring. I think the only effects would be the rapid absaorption of velocity by the water. We would then sell the carp to the fellow who owned the chinese restaurant in town. Those were the days!! Maybe higher caliber guns would have adverse effects espescially if you and the gun were underwater due to the concussion waves in the water? Supposedly dynamite will kill a fish. Who gave me this idea anyways???? [img]rolleyes.gif[/img]

09-03-2002, 06:45 PM	#27
Base User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I remember reading several years ago in Soldier Of Fortune magazine (forgive me my past reading habits) that several 1911 diehards at a convention wanted to test the theory. The tale went something like - jump in pool, make sure to shake all bubbles out of your Colt, 1911's will fire and cycle everytime, spent bullets can be recovered in near perfect condition. One man's fun is another man's foolishness.

09-03-2002, 11:50 PM	#29
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Base, Maybe that's the same group of guys mentioned in the Handgunner article (I never had my hands on a SOF magazine). I'm still waiting for some underwater shooting data. I wouldn't be surprised if a high velocity rifle fired with water in the barrel (or fired underwater) would be damaged. A rifle barrel holds a lot of water and adding this weight to the bullet weight without reducing powder charge would probably give reeeaaal high pressures. On the other hand, a pistol barrel doesn't hold a lot of water and, if fired with a moderate load might be OK (except perhaps for the effect of the concussion on the shooter). __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

09-04-2002, 01:34 PM	#30
hermit User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: canada Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think it works like a car being sumergedyou cannot open the doors till you break a window to equalise the pressure. Now--where did I put my dinamite?