Are these Mauser, or DWM?

alvin · 06-21-2009, 09:32 AM

Copied from Stoeger's 1939 catalog. Are these Mauser, or DWM?

John Sabato · 06-21-2009, 09:44 AM

My opinion is that they would have to be new old stock (NOS) DWM - Stoeger kept a stock of Luger pistols that preceded the move from DWM to the Mauser plant. by 1939, the Mauser frame had the now famous "bump" on the ears... these images are not of Mauser frames.

sheepherder · 06-21-2009, 09:59 AM

Katyusha over on 1896Forum just got one of these old Stoeger catalogs in, too...Weird that they are being offered (or reprinted or whatever) again...

http://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/...p?item_id=1003

The top Luger appears to have a 1900 barrel...high sight base + unique blade...and 4 1/2" long...

George Anderson · 06-21-2009, 10:10 AM

Mauser manufactured with DWM logos or parts.

alvin · 06-21-2009, 11:06 AM

The middle one (4" 9m/m) was definitely built by Mauser, because the catalog said so.

For some reason, the catalog did not reveal the maker of the upper 1906 style 7,65 and the lower Artillery model. No description in text.

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Actually, the Artillery was implied being Mauser (in middle one's description). In 1934 the manufacture of the 9m/m model, with 3 5/8-inch and 8-inch barrel was resumed....

7,65m/m was not mentioned.

alvin · 06-21-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by alvin

7,65m/m was not mentioned.

Sorry, I take it back. George was absolutely right. 7,65m/m was also Mauser in the middle gun's description. "the factory has again resumed the manufacture of the 4 1/2 inch, 7,65m/m tapered barrel, built to absolute pre-war standards"

So all of them are Mauser. Of course, no menioning of some old DWM parts (understandably, they did not want to put that into ad

) Just mentioning "all the dies, jigs, and special tools" from DWM.

alvin · 06-21-2009, 04:55 PM

Albert was right -- the old catalog contains some invaluable information.

One piece info as printed on that page was regard Stoeger Luger's 9m/m barrel:

New Luger pistols caliber 9m/m hitherto offered by us have had to employ barrels made by outside German manufacturers, and while these were good, we are now discontinue everything but 100 per cent Luger (Mauser) factory built barrels, and can thus guarantee positive full satisfaction to all purchasers of these genuine Luger pistols.

Lugerdoc · 06-21-2009, 06:06 PM

I'm not sure of the date of this catalog, but Stoeger was importing lugers prior to WW1 and the postwar reference, may refer to WW1. Stoeger actually copy-wrote the exclusive use of the word "Luger" for their products (note the later Stoeger luger .22 pistol & a shotgun) when they purchased the right to it and the inventory of Hans Tauscher's firm (deported as a WW1 German agent) from the war reporations board, after WW1. TH

alvin · 06-21-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

I'm not sure of the date of this catalog

Hi, Tom. It's catalog No. 31. The cover says "NEW YORK WORLD'S FAIR 1939 JUBILEE ISSUE". So, it's prepared for a world fair.

The grand opening of that particular fair was on April 30, 1939.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_New_York_World's_Fair

John Sabato · 06-22-2009, 10:08 AM

Hey! My Dad went to the 1939 worlds fair! Told me that he saw the first television device in his life there... but he waited until 1944 to get his Lugers, taken from a couple of German soldiers he was interrogating (somewhere in Belgium if I remember correctly)... He said one of the Germans had been educated in the USA... spoke perfect English... but was very reluctant to give any information ... until my Dad threatened to shoot him with his own pistol!

Then he had a change of heart...

You can't get away much with that kind of behavior any more... Dad never told me if he really would have shot him... but you had to know my Dad to understand that when he spoke, you could never tell if he was joking... He could have sold sand to the arabs... what a POKER FACE.

sabbathmusic · 10-19-2010, 07:33 AM

These are DWM. I searched all over this site, there is ONE on here in mint condition, OMG is it mint. I cannot find it now, send me an e-mail to This user has been banned by moderators and I will send you the pictures.

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	My opinion is that they would have to be new old stock (NOS) DWM - Stoeger kept a stock of Luger pistols that preceded the move from DWM to the Mauser plant. by 1939, the Mauser frame had the now famous "bump" on the ears... these images are not of Mauser frames. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I'm not sure of the date of this catalog, but Stoeger was importing lugers prior to WW1 and the postwar reference, may refer to WW1. Stoeger actually copy-wrote the exclusive use of the word "Luger" for their products (note the later Stoeger luger .22 pistol & a shotgun) when they purchased the right to it and the inventory of Hans Tauscher's firm (deported as a WW1 German agent) from the war reporations board, after WW1. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Hey! My Dad went to the 1939 worlds fair! Told me that he saw the first television device in his life there... but he waited until 1944 to get his Lugers, taken from a couple of German soldiers he was interrogating (somewhere in Belgium if I remember correctly)... He said one of the Germans had been educated in the USA... spoke perfect English... but was very reluctant to give any information ... until my Dad threatened to shoot him with his own pistol! Then he had a change of heart... You can't get away much with that kind of behavior any more... Dad never told me if he really would have shot him... but you had to know my Dad to understand that when he spoke, you could never tell if he was joking... He could have sold sand to the arabs... what a POKER FACE. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-21-2009, 09:59 AM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Katyusha over on 1896Forum just got one of these old Stoeger catalogs in, too...Weird that they are being offered (or reprinted or whatever) again... http://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/...p?item_id=1003 The top Luger appears to have a 1900 barrel...high sight base + unique blade...and 4 1/2" long...

06-21-2009, 10:10 AM	#4
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Mauser manufactured with DWM logos or parts.

06-21-2009, 11:06 AM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The middle one (4" 9m/m) was definitely built by Mauser, because the catalog said so. For some reason, the catalog did not reveal the maker of the upper 1906 style 7,65 and the lower Artillery model. No description in text. ==== Actually, the Artillery was implied being Mauser (in middle one's description). In 1934 the manufacture of the 9m/m model, with 3 5/8-inch and 8-inch* barrel was resumed....* 7,65m/m was not mentioned.

06-21-2009, 04:55 PM	#7
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Albert was right -- the old catalog contains some invaluable information. One piece info as printed on that page was regard Stoeger Luger's 9m/m barrel: New Luger pistols caliber 9m/m hitherto offered by us have had to employ barrels made by outside German manufacturers, and while these were good, we are now discontinue everything but 100 per cent Luger (Mauser) factory built barrels, and can thus guarantee positive full satisfaction to all purchasers of these genuine Luger pistols.

10-19-2010, 07:33 AM	#11
sabbathmusic Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	These are DWM. I searched all over this site, there is ONE on here in mint condition, OMG is it mint. I cannot find it now, send me an e-mail to This user has been banned by moderators and I will send you the pictures.